Ukraine Thread

[Sarmatian]

I heard that they weren't just men of military age, but Muslim/Bosniaks of military age.

So? When Americans bombed Japanase cities and villages, they should have hopped over to Thailand afterwards to kill an equal number of Thais, so they're not accused of bias?

Are you serious?

[Gilrandir]

So? When Americans bombed Japanase cities and villages, they should have hopped over to Thailand afterwards to kill an equal number of Thais, so they're not accused of bias?

Are you serious?

I'm trying to show that it was not indiscriminate slaughter, as you tried to convince us, but one ethnic/religious group was targeted. Whatever you might say, it reeks of genocide (on a small scale, of course, no match for the Armenian one, for instance).


Meanwhile, Russia proclaims itself above the international law.
http://rt.com/politics/273523-russia...-constitution/
One more reason to sign treaties wit Putin.

[Brenus]

"Meanwhile, Russia proclaims itself above the international law.
http://rt.com/politics/273523-russia...-constitution/
One more reason to sign treaties wit Putin." EUROPEAN Human Right Court. USA always refused to sign on the Human Right Convention. One more reason to sign treaties with USA? And I think that was one point the UK Prime Minister promised during the last campaign, he wants to get rid as well of the European Human Right Convention.

[Gilrandir]

"Meanwhile, Russia proclaims itself above the international law.
http://rt.com/politics/273523-russia...-constitution/
One more reason to sign treaties wit Putin." EUROPEAN Human Right Court. USA always refused to sign on the Human Right Convention. One more reason to sign treaties with USA? And I think that was one point the UK Prime Minister promised during the last campaign, he wants to get rid as well of the European Human Right Convention.

Russia DID sign the Convention (although didn't ratify it) and now refuses to obey what it signed (as was the case with 1994 Budapest memorandum and 1997 Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation with Ukraine). If you don't see the difference, I do.

[Brenus]

"(although didn't ratify it)" Key point. So it is not signed...

[Sarmatian]

Russia DID sign the Convention (although didn't ratify it) and now refuses to obey what it signed (as was the case with 1994 Budapest memorandum and 1997 Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation with Ukraine). If you don't see the difference, I do.

Country is not bound by the treaty until it has been ratified.

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[Gilrandir]

Country is not bound by the treaty until it has been ratified.

As the latest developments show, Russia is not bound even if it does ratify something. But if you don't ratify it, be honest to yourself and others and proclaim exit from the treaty. Russia is trying to sit on two chairs: it pretends to be a part of the European human rights system when it suits it and spurns it when it doesn't. The same it did to the two treaties I mentioned AND IT RATIFIED THEM too.
The USA is at least aboveboard in staying away from the treaty.

And another propulsion by Russia in the south.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-south-ossetia

[Brenus]

"The USA is at least aboveboard in staying away from the treaty". Yeap. However USA (and others) did sign the International Treaty about Internationally recognised borders, and well, still didn't respected this treaty, as earlier than the Vietnam wars.
NATO countries didn't even respect the treaty they imposed upon Serbia which guaranteed Kosovo as part of Serbia.
If fact, Putin is taking advantage of these US violations of international treaties to justify his breaches of international laws. Germany by constitution can't sent troops in foreign country. However Germany did participate of Serbia's bombing campaign. How? Weellll, they changed the constitution (and international agreements)...
So Putin is doing what was done before (and as much as I remember, the war against Iraq, or the invasion of Afghanistan were not really following international laws neither)...