Pirate Ship Mafia III [Concluded]

[El Barto]

But, wee Visorslashie, we be always throwing innocent men out o' their houses an' onto our swordblades! The product o' that be called loot!

[Visor]

But, wee Visorslashie, we be always throwing innocent men out o' their houses an' onto our swordblades! The product o' that be called loot!

They not be par' o' the crew laddie!

I be a loyal member of the crew, but this injustice is intolerable!

[GeneralHankerchief]

The problem be still unsolved. What a conundrum this be-eth!

In this case I would post your issue in the Org Issues and Improvements thread, located in the Watchtower.

[El Barto]

Yarrrr, I be postin' there and makin' inquiries. Thanked be ye, GeneralHankerchief!

[Sprig]

Squawky Jim stretched his neck, then stretched out his arms from side to side flexing the bulging muscles. It would have been impressive if it wasn't for his other curious trait. His voice rolled like thunder...

"We may plunder Galleys Galleons and Harbours, Towns and Villages but what we don't plunder from, is our own. Ye have a code to live by and those the break that code should be made to walk the plank!" *Squawk*"

[Visor]

Squawky Jim stretched his neck, then stretched out his arms from side to side flexing the bulging muscles. It would have been impressive if it wasn't for his other curious trait. His voice rolled like thunder...

"We may plunder Galleys Galleons and Harbours, Towns and Villages but what we don't plunder from, is our own. Ye have a code to live by and those the break that code should be made to walk the plank!" *Squawk*"

Ye been stolen from?

What treachery.

[El Barto]

But, wee Visorslashie, other than throwin' innocent men out o' their houses, we also steals their money! The product o' that also be called loot!

[Visor]

But, wee Visorslashie, other than throwin' innocent men out o' their houses, we also steals their money! The product o' that also be called loot!

Yarr, but they not be members of the crew laddie! This be an important distinction.

[Sprig]

Squawky Jim drew his knife and with a grinned with sharp brilliance that matched the blades edge, his baritone voice called out once more.

"Indeed. 20 gold pieces is what is owed and I'll take it in a pound of flesh unless he return it this night. *squawk*"

[Sprig]

But, wee Visorslashie, other than throwin' innocent men out o' their houses, we also steals their money! The product o' that also be called loot!

Squawky Jim's eyes flashed in anger.
"A french way of thinking, and a french way of hearing too! filthy traitor. *squawk*"

Vote: El Barto

[Kagemusha]

Good morning. The first mate Andres is still too hangover to wake up, but he is going to tell all how my and Double A´s investigation went once he wakes up. And to Visor and Zack, yes we are switching the roles of Double A and Andres once the investigation reveals Double A not a Frenchie and he is going to investigate Andres and someone else the coming night.

Now to the matters of the night. I think the matter of TFT does not need to be debated further. Some of you wanted him dead and got him dead, which i dont still understand why killing him was better business then at least robbing him blind first. Now i would really like to know who has the guts to tell if they attacked ATGP or spaceman98 and exactly why?

[Zack]

Personally I think we should never kill anyone so the Frenchies have more time to find viable recruits.

[Zack]

Good morning. The first mate Andres is still too hangover to wake up, but he is going to tell all how my and Double A´s investigation went once he wakes up. And to Visor and Zack, yes we are switching the roles of Double A and Andres once the investigation reveals Double A not a Frenchie and he is going to investigate Andres and someone else the coming night.

Now to the matters of the night. I think the matter of TFT does not need to be debated further. Some of you wanted him dead and got him dead, which i dont still understand why killing him was better business then at least robbing him blind first. Now i would really like to know who has the guts to tell if they attacked ATGP or spaceman98 and exactly why?

Why do you already think Double A is not French? Why did you have Visor thrown in the brig? Why did you try to disrupt the vig groups?

[Kagemusha]

Why do you already think Double A is not French? Why did you have Visor thrown in the brig? Why did you try to disrupt the vig groups?

I dont, where you get that idea? Because that most likely saved life of ATGP or spaceman? Because i dont believe in blind killing. Maybe you would like to now answer my questions?

[El Barto]

Yarr, but they not be members of the crew laddie! This be an important distinction.

Ye be sayin' weird things.

Squawky Jim drew his knife and with a grinned with sharp brilliance that matched the blades edge, his baritone voice called out once more.

"Indeed. 20 gold pieces is what is owed and I'll take it in a pound of flesh unless he return it this night. *squawk*"

So, someone be stealin' 20 doubloons from ye, eh? Tha' eb mighty bad indeed.

Squawky Jim's eyes flashed in anger.
"A french way of thinking, and a french way of hearing too! filthy traitor. *squawk*"

Vote: El Barto

Arrrr, parrots be nay alowed ta vote.

[Zack]

I dont, where you get that idea?

You said:

once the investigation reveals Double A not a Frenchie

Seems pretty clear where I got that idea.

Because that most likely saved life of ATGP or spaceman?

So what? Is there any reason to believe they're town? Did you specifically know Visor was trying to kill one of those two people? I want to know your original motive, not a justification based on the results. Do you think Visor is French, and if so, why? If not, why would you block him?

Because i dont believe in blind killing.

Why not? I assume you believe in the lynch, so what makes vigkills so wrong that you actively try to prevent people from carrying them out?

Maybe you would like to now answer my questions?

Even if I knew the answer to your question (I'm guessing you're referring to your question about who attacked ATPG/spaceman and why), I wouldn't answer it. Why should I? There's really no reason to tell you.

[Kagemusha]

You said:


Seems pretty clear where I got that idea.


So what? Is there any reason to believe they're town? Did you specifically know Visor was trying to kill one of those two people? I want to know your original motive, not a justification based on the results. Do you think Visor is French, and if so, why? If not, why would you block him?


Why not? I assume you believe in the lynch, so what makes vigkills so wrong that you actively try to prevent people from carrying them out?


Even if I knew the answer to your question (I'm guessing you're referring to your question about who attacked ATPG/spaceman and why), I wouldn't answer it. Why should I? There's really no reason to tell you.

Why dont you first answer to my questions and we can then continue from there? I dont know what have made you so upset, but i apologize if i have hurt your feelings somehow.

Just a little tip why i want to know who were the attackers failing to attack ATGP and spaceman is that they are atleast for now, not frenchies, but of course who i am to ask for such.
Would that also been revealed if the vig attacks would not have been hampered?

[Visor]

Kage, these assumptions you make make no sense from a town perspective.

You keep saying you know myself, Zack and AA are town before any sort of confirmation - but you're still working to hinder myself at the very least.

You then say the people on the failed attack are not french, how/why? Surely the french would just fall in line if asked for now?

These leaps sound like PIS.

[Zack]

Why dont you first answer to my questions and we can then continue from there? I dont know what have made you so upset, but i apologize if i have hurt your feelings somehow.

First of all, no you have not hurt my feelings, and it's ridiculous to even suggest that.

I don't think you really understand how precarious a position you're in. With the way the game is set up, the captain's seat is a ticking time bomb towards mutiny. To delay that mutiny as long as possible, you need to be a politician and diplomat who placates and pleases people. You've done pretty much the opposite, antagonizing and alienating the masses. Your survival depends on the people's support, and that support is almost nonexistent as of this time. You do not have any leverage. You are not in a strong position at the moment. So your condescension and bullying tactics are not going to fly. There are a lot of serious issues people have with your captaincy so far, and you've done absolutely nothing today to change that. You're not addressing these concerns, you're avoiding them and trying to flip the blame back onto others.

Just a little tip why i want to know who were the attackers failing to attack ATGP and spaceman is that they are atleast for now, not frenchies, but of course who i am to ask for such.

Just a little tip, don't ignore me. You need to address the questions and issues raised by myself and every other person who's posted in this phase so far. Ignoring them and sarcastically asking me to answer your silly question first is unacceptable.

Let me be clear: no one is going to tell you who attacked ATPG and spaceman. There's no reason to believe that clears them of anything, and there's zero reason to reveal their identities to anyone else. The only reason you'd need to know is so can throw them in the brig to disrupt the vigilante hits.

How about you tell everyone what you were doing last night? I'm guessing you're not going to tell anyone even as you insist on everyone else revealing their actions to you.

Would that also been revealed if the vig attacks would not have been hampered?

Huh? How does your meddling confirm anyone as not French?

[Kagemusha]

Kage, these assumptions you make make no sense from a town perspective.

You keep saying you know myself, Zack and AA are town before any sort of confirmation - but you're still working to hinder myself at the very least.

You then say the people on the failed attack are not french, how/why? Surely the french would just fall in line if asked for now?

These leaps sound like PIS.

I already said i dont know if Double A is a Frenchie, but i will know when Andres shows up. My English grammar is not perfect you know? And ive not said anything about knowing if you are French or not. Read the rules concerning the Frenchies, had there been those in the vig failing short, they would have still killed their marks.

[Visor]

Let me be clear: no one is going to tell you who attacked ATPG and spaceman. There's no reason to believe that clears them of anything, and there's zero reason to reveal their identities to anyone else. The only reason you'd need to know is so can throw them in the brig to disrupt the vigilante hits.

How about you tell everyone what you were doing last night? I'm guessing you're not going to tell anyone even as you insist on everyone else revealing their actions to you.

This is extremely important - we need to be on equal footing.

[Visor]

I already said i dont know if Double A is a Frenchie, but i will know when Andres shows up. My English grammar is not perfect you know? And ive not said anything about knowing if you are French or not. Read the rules concerning the Frenchies, had there been those in the vig failing short, they would have still killed their marks.

They're not performing an individual kill - they're performing a team kill like a regular vanilla townie?

[Kagemusha]

And they just stop killing then? How do you know that? Do you know something others dont?

[Zack]

And they just stop killing then? How do you know that? Do you know something others dont?

Like I said...

You're not addressing these concerns, you're avoiding them and trying to flip the blame back onto others.

[Visor]

And they just stop killing then? How do you know that? Do you know something others dont?

In a team kill 4 members succeed - or at least a chance, any less won't work. That's why two kills failed.

[Visor]

Kage, what did you do last night?

What did you order last night? - You don't have to answer this, but it is a sign of good faith.

[Zack]

I don't understand what part of the rules you're even referring to, there's nothing that says a Frenchie acting in a townie vig group automatically makes it succeed. If you believe that to be the case and think that the people attacking spaceman/ATPG are cleared through the vig attempt, then that raises the question of why you didn't want anyone to participate in a vig group? Why would you discourage a clearing action?

[Kagemusha]

Like I said...

I already answered all your questions. Can you tell me which one i did not? How many of mine did you answer to me? Please contribute and we can have a discussion, otherwise you are wasting me time.

[Kagemusha]

I don't understand what part of the rules you're even referring to, there's nothing that says a Frenchie acting in a townie vig group automatically makes it succeed. If you believe that to be the case and think that the people attacking spaceman/ATPG are cleared through the vig attempt, then that raises the question of why you didn't want anyone to participate in a vig group? Why would you discourage a clearing action?

Had the vig attemp succeeded how on earth it would have cleared anyone? Breath man and think.

[Visor]

If the vig attempts suceeded we would know if any frenchmen were on those orders they would not be doing french things.

If they failed we would NOT know that. Succeeding is better than failing.