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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    Well my liver belongs to me, not the state!
    Take steps to make them disregard YOUR liver.
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    Why assuming that the deseased would like to have his organs donated is more immoral than assuming that he wouldn't.
    In my opinion, it's the same thing, but the former has the extra advantage of actually allowing some people to live a bit more.

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    Why assuming that the deseased would like to have his organs donated is more immoral than assuming that he wouldn't.
    Assuming he would (and having a law to prove that) may cause some people to "produce" the deceased rather than to wait for one with suitable organs to die.
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    There's no monetary incentive to do so beyond the already present black market. Besides that, unless they were on the top of the donor list anyone in need who tried that would have to kill a mountain of people to get a victim's organs put in them by a legal establishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    Assuming he would (and having a law to prove that) may cause some people to "produce" the deceased rather than to wait for one with suitable organs to die.
    I really doubt that, Girlandir, because murdering someone and making sure that the doctors have access to his organs fast enough doesn't look very practical, because thanks to the law there wouldn't be such a worrying lack of available organs, because by your logic, there is currently the possibility that a few desperate patients will start murdering donators and because the authorities would not be very willing to reward the the murderous patient with his victim's organs.

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    My assumption refers to rich people who are in need of a transplantation and can afford to hire a person who will cause a prospective donor to die as if naturally. Something like that worked with rich childless couples (most of them foreigners) who struck a deal with doctors and bought a baby while his mother was announced that the baby had died in labor.

    Although it happened in Ukraine, perhaps it is not so easy to do in Europe.
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    You do know that sort of thing happens anyway, without this new law?
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    You do know that sort of thing happens anyway, without this new law?
    But now it's closer to being legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    My assumption refers to rich people who are in need of a transplantation and can afford to hire a person who will cause a prospective donor to die as if naturally.
    Or alternatively, the rich patients are already paying some kidnappers to find them the necessary organs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    Take steps to make them disregard YOUR liver.
    This. Nobody is going to want my liver when I'm through with it.
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