Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
Those are basically media spin and further political mud-slinging. (Other than removing Trident, because he does support that.)

But lets look at your two main points:

IRA: He has condemned the use of violence by the IRA, saying that this should be done peacefully but he hasn't condemned the group themselves because without the violence part, is Irish nationalism really such a terrible thing to condemn? Only important thing has been discussed.

He has said that the Peace process should involve Hamas because it wouldn't work without their participation in the talks, because if they agree to them, then they will stop their violence. This is common sense stuff. I put it this way: I am going to do an arrangement with Greyblades where we use your house for Gaming on Saturday nights, lets see how successful we are without your involvement.
We should talk about Cameron's statement being "lies" first. At the end of the day it's not actually relevant in what context Corbyn called Bin Laden's death a "tragedy" because for many people, including myself, his death was necessary, even assuming his capture had been possible and we'd actually had evidence that would stand up in a Court of Law his final circumstances would have seen him living much as he had in Pakistan, doubtless after the Hague had convicted him he would have been sent to a European prison where he would have had exercise, been well fed, had access to reading material and at least written correspondence with the outside world, and his incarceration might actually have driven his followers to new terrors in an effort to secure his release.

Now lets talk about Hamas: - they have vowed to destroy Israel, and therefore cannot be negotiated with. I was, however, referring to that one anti-Semitic activist who described Corbyn as a "political friend" or some such after having shared a platform with him. Corbyn said he did not know the man, did not support his views and had not shared a platform with him - only to subsequently admit he HAD shared a platform with him but had completely forgotten about it until reminded by his campaign team.

Now, I ask you, if David Cameron had said that would ANYONE accept it? No, they would not. Jeremy is just a well meaning old duffer though - so it's ok if he forgot.

the IRA: Prior to his election he refused to say that he condemned the actions of the IRA, he just said that violence was wrong - he then went on to condemn the actions of the BRITISH ARMY but still would not condemn the actions of the IRA - then the line cut. Again, he was allowed to get away with that when anyone else would be tarred and feathered. Also - this is another episode that can go in the "British-hating" bag, and I'm inclined to think it should - because he's happier to condemn British soldiers than Irish terrorists.

Now, the question is do you know me well enough to know these things were said, or are you going to make me actually pull the quotes?

P.S. The IRA are NOT Irish nationalism and to suggest such is to spit on the peaceful protesters who were being hounded by Protestants back in the 1970's. People forget that Operation Banner began as an effort to protect Catholics, but then the IRA called it an "invasion" and declared war.