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    Quote Originally Posted by CrossLOPER View Post
    Yeah, it's like this planet has been here a while and continents have shifted about.



    Probably the publicly available research articles and through the consensus reached by reputable resources, much like these:

    http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
    http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun...glob-warm.html'

    Stop getting your information from conspiracy sites; it rots your brain.
    https://www.marum.de/en/Tropical_cli...on_year...html
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...78462813553136
    Damned conspiracy sites...I gotta stop reading them. Stop blindly following and spewing the biases of people who have a vested financial interest in the maintaining the status quo, it rots your brain. Tell you what, when Al Gore reduces his carbon footprint down to mine I'll start caring more.

    And yes, I know all about continental shift. It happened about 4200 years ago and is mentioned in the bible. Crazy! How the heck did that get written down on some parchment thousands of years ago? It also documents certain other cataclysmic events that help explain some of what we observe. Global warming is in the bible too, although I'm sure you really don't want to talk about that.
    The truth is we humans are pathetic and know far less than we think we do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risasi View Post
    The truth is we humans are pathetic and know far less than we think we do.
    Why not apply that line of thinking to yourself and your own lack of scientific understanding?

    Conspiracies, religious books, moronic journalists, senile Nobel prize winners and sleazy lawyers. Just about anything but dealing with the actual science. Motivated reasoning is one hell of a drug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risasi View Post
    https://www.marum.de/en/Tropical_cli...on_year...html
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...78462813553136
    Damned conspiracy sites...I gotta stop reading them. Stop blindly following and spewing the biases of people who have a vested financial interest in the maintaining the status quo, it rots your brain. Tell you what, when Al Gore reduces his carbon footprint down to mine I'll start caring more.
    I really don't follow that argument. Those with wrested interest of status quo and big financial power are the oil companies and similar organisations. The climate scientists gets very little money in comparison.

    As for the forests on Antarctica, they show that the earth is habitable when warmer than now. But that would flood a few billion homes (since we're talking about all the ice melting away) and that's talking about how hard it is to keep up with agriculture when the weather patterns and climate zones changes.

    The WSJ article is behind a pay wall. From what I can read, I do get the vibe that they're going to be smartass and tell us that scientist and climate scientist are two different things.
    We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?

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    I never disputed this.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Bast

    Bast is in the same group of people as Rush Limbaugh. He is a nutcake.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risasi View Post
    Damned conspiracy sites...I gotta stop reading them. Stop blindly following and spewing the biases of people who have a vested financial interest in the maintaining the status quo, it rots your brain.
    So you agree with me, or are you trying to push that old canard that scientists are conspiring to prop up man-made global warming for grant money? Since you are asserting this, I want you to produce one piece of solid evidence that scientists are doing this.

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    Tell you what, when Al Gore reduces his carbon footprint down to mine I'll start caring more.
    I am not sure what Al Gore has to do carbon concentration in the atmosphere. Really, he isn't that important, and bringing this up is borderline to an appeal to authority.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risasi View Post
    And yes, I know all about continental shift. It happened about 4200 years ago and is mentioned in the bible. Crazy! How the heck did that get written down on some parchment thousands of years ago? It also documents certain other cataclysmic events that help explain some of what we observe. Global warming is in the bible too, although I'm sure you really don't want to talk about that.
    Your writing skills need work, as I have no idea whether this is sarcasm, or what. Are you trying to tell me that you only believe what's in the bible? Are you arguing that science must absolutely match the Bible?

    Help me out.

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    The truth is we humans are pathetic and know far less than we think we do.
    I agree that humans do not know everything, but hiding behind excuses, conspiracy assertions and claims of religion is unproductive. Think of science as a camera focus; it goes over, it goes under, but each time it gets a little closer to the truth.
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    Just create a government program that subsidizes beach side homes for people suffering from climate change denial. Problem works itself out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrossLOPER View Post
    I never disputed this.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Bast

    Bast is in the same group of people as Rush Limbaugh. He is a nutcake.
    Fruitcake would have been better. Neither fruit nor cake...


    So you agree with me, or are you trying to push that old canard that scientists are conspiring to prop up man-made global warming for grant money? Since you are asserting this, I want you to produce one piece of solid evidence that scientists are doing this.
    Right, I forgot that they work for free, out of their kindness for humanity. I'm sure there are no political repercussions either if they don't toe the line and dissent.
    My point was that it's not an overwhelming majority of scientists as is always sold. It's a BS fact used as 7 second soundbite. Lies, damned lies and statistics. It reminds me of a Penn and Teller episode on their show regarding numbers and statistics.
    I also had no idea that WSJ or Forbes were conspiracy theory sites. But, whatever.


    I am not sure what Al Gore has to do carbon concentration in the atmosphere. Really, he isn't that important, and bringing this up is borderline to an appeal to authority.
    My point is Al Gore, and all of these elite 1%'ers are the pot calling the kettle black. You go digging and they are reaping financial benefits from pushing their agenda regarding global warmi...err climate change, whatever they call it now. Meanwhile jetting around doing the very things they tell us not to. "Do as I say, not as I do".

    Your writing skills need work, as I have no idea whether this is sarcasm, or what. Are you trying to tell me that you only believe what's in the bible? Are you arguing that science must absolutely match the Bible?

    Help me out.
    I'm probably wasting my time, but okay: Bible > Science. Scientists don't have a good track record in...ever. Heck, I remember my grade school days. When I was a wee lad they were saying the universe was 3 billion years old. Now it's 14 billion, or have they amended it again?
    True science is the study of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. That does not mean it can accurately ascertain origin.
    Bible is a historical account written by an eye witness. So the bible says the Lord Jesus Christ is the creator of the heavens and the earth. It says he also framed time. It also says Jesus Christ is holding the whole thing together, right now. If he didn't it would go fissionable and explode (or implode?). What it doesn't say is how old the earth actually is (it could actually be pretty old).
    Approximately 6000 years ago it suffered an extreme cataclysmic event, due to the fall of an angel named Lucifer (aka Satan, the Devil, Diablos). The earth that then was being overflowed with water. It was then rebuilt and humanity was created. Then roughly 4400 years ago due to the genetic corruption and wickedness of mankind, to actually preserve the human race, there was a second worldwide flood event and the account of Noah. This was a pretty big deal, and can explain some of what we can observe through science today.
    Anyway, I'm sure all of that is crazy talk to you and you should probably ignore me before I start talking more about Jesus Christ and how he is God and coming back some day to rule over all of humanity.


    I agree that humans do not know everything, but hiding behind excuses, conspiracy assertions and claims of religion is unproductive. Think of science as a camera focus; it goes over, it goes under, but each time it gets a little closer to the truth.
    My claim is I have the writings of the Author of the universe as my reference. You could crack it open too, you know and actually see what it says. Although clearly that's not good enough for you. I suppose God doesn't have enough initials after his name...

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    I have the writings of the Author of the universe
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    Yes and HTML was also written in the Bible not CERN. /s
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risasi View Post
    My claim is I have the writings of the Author of the universe as my reference. You could crack it open too, you know and actually see what it says. Although clearly that's not good enough for you. I suppose God doesn't have enough initials after his name...
    Science is good enough to produce the computer which you're writing on and the internet which you're sending your posts into.

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    My claim is I have the writings of the Author of the universe as my reference. You could crack it open too, you know and actually see what it says. Although clearly that's not good enough for you. I suppose God doesn't have enough initials after his name...
    Can you give me chapter and verse on what to do when my internet connection goes down?

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    Can you give me chapter and verse on what to do when my internet connection goes down?
    Sure I can help you with that. Psalm 2:12

    Or make time and start at the beginning and just start reading until your internet comes back online...if you want I can just ask the Lord to take it down for you so you can focus on reading it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risasi View Post
    Sure I can help you with that. Psalm 2:12

    Or make time and start at the beginning and just start reading until your internet comes back online...if you want I can just ask the Lord to take it down for you so you can focus on reading it?
    Also, if you believe so much in the author of the universe, shouldn't you be worshipping Baal and Mammon instead? They've got a better literal claim to be author of the universe than the Abrahamic deity.

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    Hey, if you don't want to believe in the Jesus Christ, that can save you from eternal judgment...no skin off my nose. I'm probably just some nutter, you should just ignore me. After all, God doesn't exist, I'm just blowing smoke. Then you have nothing to fear.

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    Right, I forgot that they work for free, out of their kindness for humanity. I'm sure there are no political repercussions either if they don't toe the line and dissent.
    My point was that it's not an overwhelming majority of scientists as is always sold. It's a BS fact used as 7 second soundbite. Lies, damned lies and statistics. It reminds me of a Penn and Teller episode on their show regarding numbers and statistics.
    I also had no idea that WSJ or Forbes were conspiracy theory sites. But, whatever.
    So 97% of the articles agrees that man made global warming is real? But they aren't agreeing that much on how large percentage of the warming that is man made?

    You do understand that the political discussion would be claiming that man made global warming is real, but the skeptics would be arguing that our impact is small enough to ignore, if they would be following science in that case? If the choice of words from Mr James Taylor didn't tip you off, he's the one BS:ing.

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    My point is Al Gore, and all of these elite 1%'ers are the pot calling the kettle black. You go digging and they are reaping financial benefits from pushing their agenda regarding global warmi...err climate change, whatever they call it now. Meanwhile jetting around doing the very things they tell us not to. "Do as I say, not as I do".
    Considering that the largest block of buyers of political power (main donors the US election) are oil billionaires and finance, those climate scientists are betting on the wrong horse if they wanted money.

    The 1% elites you're talking about? They are earning their money from oil, coal and natural gas, not solar and wind. See the graph? You're claiming that those people owning the three top lines want to get the profits in the lowest line, by ruining the three top lines.

    Al Gore got his fortune mostly from Apple and Google.
    We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?

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    Bible is a historical account written by an eye witness.
    Accounted in the Bible events span about 7000 years (if we believe the dating given in it), so definitely it is too chronologically protracted to speak of ALL of it written by AN eyewitness. Even the New Testament having been written by an (or several) eyewitness(es) is doubtful. And if we remember the complicated history of choosing what must be included into the Bible and the story of its compilation it dates back to about IV century a.d.

    Hardly a history book written by those who saw everything with their own eyes.

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    So the bible says the Lord Jesus Christ is the creator of the heavens and the earth. It says he also framed time.
    Que? Jesus =/= God the Father!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    Que? Jesus =/= God the Father!!!
    It's the new Risasi heresy. When people are encouraged to interpret the scriptures in any way they wish, they come up with some darn strange readings. The son is the father. It's like Oedipus Rex transplanted to downtown hickland.

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    I suppose, seeing as jesus hadn't separated from god at the time of genesis we could technically say jesus created reality and time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    Accounted in the Bible events span about 7000 years (if we believe the dating given in it), so definitely it is too chronologically protracted to speak of ALL of it written by AN eyewitness. Even the New Testament having been written by an (or several) eyewitness(es) is doubtful. And if we remember the complicated history of choosing what must be included into the Bible and the story of its compilation it dates back to about IV century a.d.

    Hardly a history book written by those who saw everything with their own eyes.



    Que? Jesus =/= God the Father!!!
    God uses men as eye witnesses, and also dictates to them what to write. "Hey you! Write this down". He then would give them street cred by endowing great works of awe to these men.
    I didn't say 7000, btw. To be accurate, so far, roughly 6000'ish years of human history have transpired. There is an unknown period of time which precedes this. It could be mere days or it could be thousands, millions, I suppose billions of years.
    There is also 1000+ years of future history yet to be fulfilled, which is referenced in the scriptures. Then comes global warming.

    You bring up a valid criticism worth an answer. There have been a great many false epistles, corrupted texts, etc. What to believe?...so most men discount it as a work of fiction and never look at it. "Fairy tales", they say. It is still the greatest single compilation of literature from the annals of history, yet it is largely ignored.
    The majority texts from many different locales, written over a great period of time are in agreement. The original source languages are the inspired Word of God. Not the translations. Many translations are good, some just plain suck. I use a few different translations; KJV, NKJV, Rotherham, Geneva, ASV. But I also study the original words in their Hebrew and Alexander's Koina Greek. Aramaic and Chaldee are also found in there. Notice Latin is not in there. The tools to study these languages are readily available, thanks to technology. I never said tech or true science are worthless, just inferior to what God has to say.

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    I suppose, seeing as jesus hadn't separated from god at the time of genesis we could technically say jesus created reality and time.
    Careful, if you start thinking logically through this and investigating what the scriptures actually say, you might start believing as I do:

    John 14:5-9; Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.” Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

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    Tangent, but I have to ask.

    Why are so many ultra conservatives against stem cell research and human cloning? Clones are just identical twins with a large time offset (and aged cells).

    See if God sacrifices his Son/Himself to remove the need of all future sacrifices surely stem cell research is in the same vein?

    Jesus is a clone of God put into Mary the (surrogate) Mother.

    So if God can do good things by sarificing a clone, why can't humans do stem cell research or raise (but not sacrifice) clones?
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    I will gladly answer any questions you have. But rather than continue to junk up the climate disruption thread how about I create a separate one? I will label it something very tongue in cheek and you fellows can lambaste me to your heart's content. The only reason I even brought up bible is because it specifically affects how I view the whole "global warming" thing. So there is no reason to drift this thread any longer.

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    I'm not ultra-conservative. I'm also not mainstream, not anymore. And while I will happily talk to someone from a different denomination, I'm actually anti-denominational. According to the bible denominations should not exist. I'm rather a-political too. Example; I'm amused by the POTUS thread, but don't really care that much any longer who is elected.
    I'm also not really religious, although many who don't know me well would probably be surprised to hear that. Just as an example I despise the "pontifex", all of his hocus-pocus, and everything his pederastic order stands for. So while offended by their hierarchy, I will gladly talk to the average joe roman catholic about their beliefs and the scriptures, or a mormon...or a muslim. In fact I have talked to a few, even a Kuwait citizen who used to frequent this board. I find all cultures very interesting and have operated in several.
    My point is I like to dialog with people who are sincere and wish to debate. Even if our beliefs are not the same. I am merely a student of the bible and meet with other individuals in a local church, and we dialog and discuss about what the bible says. I think that's unique, but 50-100 years ago it was not.

    Anyway, I'm a bit tired right now as it's late. And I have had a very long day dealing with corporate. I don't think I can do your question justice. I'll post tomorrow or the next day, how about that?

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    You would... talk... to a... to a... Muslim??? And a Catholic and a Mormon? Really? As in, face to face? Like, at a dinner table or something?

    I don't know about others, but I'm convinced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    You would... talk... to a... to a... Muslim??? And a Catholic and a Mormon? Really? As in, face to face? Like, at a dinner table or something?

    I don't know about others, but I'm convinced.
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    Someone who takes the bible literally who doesn't think he's ultra-conservative.

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    But he would talk to a Muslim...

    Just like that, no preconditions. You're being unfair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio View Post
    Tangent, but I have to ask.

    Why are so many ultra conservatives against stem cell research and human cloning? Clones are just identical twins with a large time offset (and aged cells).

    See if God sacrifices his Son/Himself to remove the need of all future sacrifices surely stem cell research is in the same vein?

    Jesus is a clone of God put into Mary the (surrogate) Mother.

    So if God can do good things by sarificing a clone, why can't humans do stem cell research or raise (but not sacrifice) clones?
    I'm fairly sure the church has been arguing the degree of influence Mary had in Jesus' birth since it's beginning.

    To me it makes more sense that Jesus is a child of both god and Mary (not a clone) under the logic that if god's intent was to have a vessel to walk about on earth without changing himself in any way he wouldn't bother with a mother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risasi View Post
    I didn't say 7000, btw. To be accurate, so far, roughly 6000'ish years of human history have transpired. There is an unknown period of time which precedes this. It could be mere days or it could be thousands, millions, I suppose billions of years.
    That is why it is impossible to call the Bible "Memoirs of AN eyewitness". Too many eyewitnesses, consequently too many incompatibilities probably stemming from different agendas and intentions of those who wrote them and those who chose what is to be eventually "The Bible".

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    John 14:5-9; Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.” Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
    The Father has no visible shape. One can't see him at will, only when He wishes to. So Jesus is kinda Deputy God to communicate to on petty matters when it is not worth bothering the Boss. As simple as that.

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    Jesus is a clone of God put into Mary the (surrogate) Mother.
    AFAIK, cloning and surrogate motherhood are different. The former doesn't require any intermediary organism to produce the offspring.
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    Dolly the sheep was not grown in a vat. Current technology still needs a surrogate womb for complex organisms.
    Our genes maybe in the basement but it does not stop us chosing our point of view from the top.
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    Risasi is the kind of guy that probably leaves a hand written note about finding the Lord instead of a tip at a restaurant.

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    I think tracts are kind of hokey. I usually just talk to people.

    And not that it's any of your biz, but if it's good service I usually leave 20%. But I've left as much as 50% and as low as zero if it's terrible service. How much do you leave?

    And thanks for the good idea on your part. Maybe I'll start writing bible verses on my bills. :-p

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