Terror Attack: 130 Dead in Paris

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

In France to be exact, you can't just have your EU when you want to be annoyed and want to leave it otherwise.

The majority of Britons quite like the eU - but we want to see a serious effort to root out the corruption in this pseudo-super-state where nobody will sign off on the accounts

The rest of what you posted is coherent though, but not exactly practical or enforceable unless you want to create some kind of DDR border to keep the poor out.

It's called a Limes and it was effective enough at keeping your people out so long as we kept it well manned.

It's also the foundations of the states. Turkish flag is the traditional crescent, while the Saudi flag is the sword below "No God But God" anachronism. Saudis have successfully characterized Islam as a violent struggle. The country was built by the events almost identical to what's going on in Europe and IS. Breaking shrines, executions, genocide, and conquest.


This is all a result of that revivalist movement that is now the Muslim identity.

All of this can be shown to have been carried out by early Muslims either within Muhammed's lifetime or immediately following it.

In the other thread you demonstrated a breathtakingly miss-informed understanding of Christianity alongside a disappointing knowledge of early Islamic Scholarship, trying to tell me Muhammed didn't have a nine-year old wife.

Now your contribution to this thread appears to tell us that these Muslims aren't proper Muslims, like you.

Strike is right - you bring nothing to this discussion, no insight or reflection.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/our_terrorism_double_standard_after_paris_lets_stop_blaming_muslims_and_take_a_hard_look_at_ourselve s/

Notably, the article does not cite any of these other "EU" terror attacks, only the ones outside the EU which happened either in a war zone or on the edge of one.


Also notable is the attention given to the Far-Right Norwegian and Swedish terrorist attacks and the soul-searching after Norway in particular when everyone was forced to acknowledge that we all assumed it was a Muslim and not a poster-boy for Nazi Eugenics.

In other news Hollande called this an "Act of War" after IS claimed responsibility, assume we are headed for Afghan War 2.0.

So yay for military contractors and arms manufacturers and a hearty sob for everyone else.

[Montmorency]

In other news Hollande called this an "Act of War" after IS claimed responsibility, assume we are headed for Afghan War 2.0.

I doubt it, even assuming that Hollande is the type of socialist who gets excited at the thought of "V'stavai strana ogromnaya".

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I doubt it, even assuming that Hollande is the type of socialist who gets excited at the thought of "V'stavai strana ogromnaya".

The logic may be inescapable.

An attack on NATO by another state, legitimate or not, has to be answered - especially in the face of increasing Russian aggression.

[Brenus]

"token muslim in the French cabinet " Really? Why do you assume that an Muslim woman is a token? It shows more about you than her, as you probably have no idea of her success or failure.
But of course, because she is a woman, a Muslim, she can be only a token. She was just in charge of the Justice department in France (post that you have not reach in your country yet), a very unimportant post in all states, as we all know.

"even assuming that Hollande is the type of socialist" You should first assume that Holland is socialist...

[Pannonian]

The majority of Britons quite like the eU - but we want to see a serious effort to root out the corruption in this pseudo-super-state where nobody will sign off on the accounts



It's called a Limes and it was effective enough at keeping your people out so long as we kept it well manned.

In ancient times we relied on the Limes to keep Europe civilised. In modern times we rely on the Limeys to keep Europe civilised.

[Strike For The South]

Reports are now the attackers spoke accent-less French and yet claimed solidarity in with their brothers in Syria.

But please show me the token muslim in the French cabinet again. That was totally mind blowing.

Back the iron fists, supply them weapons, and make sure the trade agreements are friendly. I don't see what else we can do. Backing the rebels only leads to fractious groups....the devil you know.

[AE Bravo]

Pfh - never said they werent proper muslims, nor did i say there was no nine year old wife. What i said about christianity is true because most forms of veneration and the god that jesus himself knew from the torah has been forgotten.

"Whoever kills an innocent person, it is as if he killed all of humanity"

Rip peace out. Montmorency is right.

[Strike For The South]

"token muslim in the French cabinet " Really? Why do you assume that an Muslim woman is a token? It shows more about you than her, as you probably have no idea of her success or failure.
But of course, because she is a woman, a Muslim, she can be only a token. She was just in charge of the Justice department in France (post that you have not reach in your country yet), a very unimportant post in all states, as we all know.

One muslim does not change the tide of anything. It says more about you. You think one muslim woman in the French cabinet is somehow proof of successful integration. Head. In. The. Sand.

Pfh - never said they werent proper muslims, nor did i say there was no nine year old wife. What i said about christianity is true because most forms of veneration and the god that jesus himself knew from the torah has been forgotten.

"Whoever kills an innocent person, it is as if he killed all of humanity"

Rip peace out. Montmorency is right.

You realize he is disagreeing with you right? Do you just look at whoever writes the most words with high brow vocab and think "me and this guy agree"?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Reports are now the attackers spoke accent-less French and yet claimed solidarity in with their brothers in Syria.

But please show me the token muslim in the French cabinet again. That was totally mind blowing.

Back the iron fists, supply them weapons, and make sure the trade agreements are friendly. I don't see what else we can do. Backing the rebels only leads to fractious groups....the devil you know.

Your misguided thinking is part of what got us into this mess. We should have crushed Assad at least two years ago before IS were able to dig in and garner local recruits via Assad's brutality.

If we have to spend a century knocking down tin-pot dictators in the Middle East so that three generations of girls and boys can grow up with even a modicum of peace and form an actual civil society it will be worth it.

The problem with people today is they can only think up to the time of their own death, or perhaps the deaths of their children. We should be planning for the next two centuries at least.

Pfh - never said they werent proper muslims, nor did i say there was no nine year old wife. What i said about christianity is true because most forms of veneration and the god that jesus himself knew from the torah has been forgotten.

"Whoever kills an innocent person, it is as if he killed all of humanity"

Rip peace out. Montmorency is right.

Really?

"No mention in scripture of the prophet marrying a 9 year old girl or rolling heads for that matter. They weren't intimate until about ten years after. He served his people well and brought them a message that led to great success, made a better society. Gandhi was a racist."

You have repeatedly denigrated the Whabbi version of Islam as being a false "revivalist" movement.

You said Jesus "made war on Rome" which is absurd - he was executed to behaed one Jewish faction and placate another but there is no suggestion he opposed the Roman administration, quite the opposite. "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's"

Islam condemns those who kill the innocent - Christianity condemns killing (but loves the murderer). Notably, the Islamists believe att Westerns are guilty 0 hence it is permissible for them to be killed.

You are correct that Ghandi was a racist, at least for part of his life.

Here's what I want you to think about "Are these men barbarian monsters?"

I would say yes, regardless of ethnicity and religion.

[Strike For The South]

If we have to spend a century knocking down tin-pot dictators in the Middle East so that three generations of girls and boys can grow up with even a modicum of peace and form an actual civil society it will be worth it.

Where will this ground swell of democracy come from?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Where will this ground swell of democracy come from?

Honestly, that quote could literally have been ripped from 2004. Mission accomplished! They will greet us as liberators!

[Viking]

Where will this ground swell of democracy come from?

People wouldn't be hoping for democracy directly, but for peace, stability and prosperity. If the peace is built on subjugation, torture and death - how long do you think it will last?

People want justice and to be able to speak their minds, and if the current state of things is lacking in this regard, it will probably be unstable in the long run.