Terror Attack: 130 Dead in Paris

[Strike For The South]

Reports are now the attackers spoke accent-less French and yet claimed solidarity in with their brothers in Syria.

But please show me the token muslim in the French cabinet again. That was totally mind blowing.

Back the iron fists, supply them weapons, and make sure the trade agreements are friendly. I don't see what else we can do. Backing the rebels only leads to fractious groups....the devil you know.

[AE Bravo]

Pfh - never said they werent proper muslims, nor did i say there was no nine year old wife. What i said about christianity is true because most forms of veneration and the god that jesus himself knew from the torah has been forgotten.

"Whoever kills an innocent person, it is as if he killed all of humanity"

Rip peace out. Montmorency is right.

[Strike For The South]

"token muslim in the French cabinet " Really? Why do you assume that an Muslim woman is a token? It shows more about you than her, as you probably have no idea of her success or failure.
But of course, because she is a woman, a Muslim, she can be only a token. She was just in charge of the Justice department in France (post that you have not reach in your country yet), a very unimportant post in all states, as we all know.

One muslim does not change the tide of anything. It says more about you. You think one muslim woman in the French cabinet is somehow proof of successful integration. Head. In. The. Sand.

Pfh - never said they werent proper muslims, nor did i say there was no nine year old wife. What i said about christianity is true because most forms of veneration and the god that jesus himself knew from the torah has been forgotten.

"Whoever kills an innocent person, it is as if he killed all of humanity"

Rip peace out. Montmorency is right.

You realize he is disagreeing with you right? Do you just look at whoever writes the most words with high brow vocab and think "me and this guy agree"?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Reports are now the attackers spoke accent-less French and yet claimed solidarity in with their brothers in Syria.

But please show me the token muslim in the French cabinet again. That was totally mind blowing.

Back the iron fists, supply them weapons, and make sure the trade agreements are friendly. I don't see what else we can do. Backing the rebels only leads to fractious groups....the devil you know.

Your misguided thinking is part of what got us into this mess. We should have crushed Assad at least two years ago before IS were able to dig in and garner local recruits via Assad's brutality.

If we have to spend a century knocking down tin-pot dictators in the Middle East so that three generations of girls and boys can grow up with even a modicum of peace and form an actual civil society it will be worth it.

The problem with people today is they can only think up to the time of their own death, or perhaps the deaths of their children. We should be planning for the next two centuries at least.

Pfh - never said they werent proper muslims, nor did i say there was no nine year old wife. What i said about christianity is true because most forms of veneration and the god that jesus himself knew from the torah has been forgotten.

"Whoever kills an innocent person, it is as if he killed all of humanity"

Rip peace out. Montmorency is right.

Really?

"No mention in scripture of the prophet marrying a 9 year old girl or rolling heads for that matter. They weren't intimate until about ten years after. He served his people well and brought them a message that led to great success, made a better society. Gandhi was a racist."

You have repeatedly denigrated the Whabbi version of Islam as being a false "revivalist" movement.

You said Jesus "made war on Rome" which is absurd - he was executed to behaed one Jewish faction and placate another but there is no suggestion he opposed the Roman administration, quite the opposite. "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's"

Islam condemns those who kill the innocent - Christianity condemns killing (but loves the murderer). Notably, the Islamists believe att Westerns are guilty 0 hence it is permissible for them to be killed.

You are correct that Ghandi was a racist, at least for part of his life.

Here's what I want you to think about "Are these men barbarian monsters?"

I would say yes, regardless of ethnicity and religion.

[Strike For The South]

If we have to spend a century knocking down tin-pot dictators in the Middle East so that three generations of girls and boys can grow up with even a modicum of peace and form an actual civil society it will be worth it.

Where will this ground swell of democracy come from?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Where will this ground swell of democracy come from?

Honestly, that quote could literally have been ripped from 2004. Mission accomplished! They will greet us as liberators!

[Papewaio]

Don't look to politicians for integration look to Zinedine Zidane for an example.

[AE Bravo]

Really?

I didn’t deny that he was married to a young girl. But like i said this is not mentioned in scripture (Qur’an). Again, crucifixion is for enemies of the state. Jesus was also known to see gentiles as below his people. This is fine though, I’m not knocking it at all.

You have repeatedly denigrated the Whabbi version of Islam as being a false "revivalist" movement.

Must have been a misunderstanding. Wahhabism is modified strict orthodoxy. None of the people I've met actually want the life this preaches for themselves. No sane person would.

Here's what I want you to think about "Are these men barbarian monsters?"

Absolutely yes. What did you expect me to contribute exactly? Lose-lose situation for me imo.

Listen this is a fight that we fight every day ourselves. http://heavy.com/news/2015/09/new-is...rabs-stills/2/
A friend of mine from Saudi Arabia had a cousin who was the same way, except that guy actually left and went to Syria. They are killing other Muslims in their sleep, in their mosques, and in their wedding nights. So YOU think about who the real enemy is. There is nothing I despise more than a takfiri, Muslims who feel they are entitled to more and are driven by the heavens more than their worldly obligations.

You realize he is disagreeing with you right? Do you just look at whoever writes the most words with high brow vocab and think "me and this guy agree"?

Anti-western units are reactionary movements born from the first reactionary movement. I hope what Montmorency says isn't going to happen but it will eventually. The west is not capable of stopping the "contagion," this is the duty of Arabs and Muslims.

I look at you and I see a bigot with a "brevity is the soul of wit" persona. It's quite pathetic actually. You are the only person in this thread who talks like he's at a bar rather than sincere discourse.

[Viking]

Where will this ground swell of democracy come from?

People wouldn't be hoping for democracy directly, but for peace, stability and prosperity. If the peace is built on subjugation, torture and death - how long do you think it will last?

People want justice and to be able to speak their minds, and if the current state of things is lacking in this regard, it will probably be unstable in the long run.

[Brenus]

"You think one muslim woman in the French cabinet is somehow proof of successful integration." No, that is an indication of what you think is absolutely out of touch and reality.
You come up with a claim you cannot back-up with facts, so your only choice is denial or dismissal. I don't blame you for this as you don't have really other things to do.
I could have go for successful businessmen and women, or, sportsmen, or whoever, you would come back with the same "answer" from your belief.
France has the highest number of "Muslim" in Europe (excluding Turkey). Most of them are of course atheist, as the general French population. Probably because they living in horrid ghettos and apartheid...
As head in the sand, you could start to put your out of it, and look around you. You will see the world somewhere else else than in your head.

I put it back:

[Kagemusha]

My hat is off to the French. The thing is that while many people are hurting and afraid because of this senseless violence from few lunatics. France is not going to change. France is not going to turn into a police state and French people will not hover in the corner with a personal weapon for self protection. No they will not let the terrorist win and change into what the terrorist would like for them to become. They will not become victims, but live on. Hurting, with anger and sorrow, but without letting those sentiments control them.

There is a price for freedom and that price is not to live in fear. No matter how much that may cost. Once people understand that, there is no stopping freedom. Without that understanding there never can be freedom. French know and cherish this because they have had their fair share of history of oppression and i am positive that they will never again allow such to happen, not because of pressure coming from outside or within.

For the very same reason Europeans cant close their borders and shut their eyes for the events taking place at Middle East, as the reason for the masses of Asylum seekers are there and those are the very same lunatics that are behind the atrocities that are happening or already have happened at Iraq,Syria,Libya, Lebanon,Egypt and now France.