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    The difference is that conventional ways of killing millions don't leave a radioactive wasteland after them and especially that they don't spawn radioactive clouds that could drift towards Europe and Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myth View Post
    The difference is that conventional ways of killing millions don't leave a radioactive wasteland after them and especially that they don't spawn radioactive clowds that can drift towards Europe and Israel.
    Europe has been happy to test much larger nuclear weapons in Australia and in the Pacific...
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    Europe has been happy to test much larger nuclear weapons in Australia and in the Pacific...
    Decades ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post
    Decades ago.
    19 years ago and 170 plus tests since the '60s for one EU country to be pedantic. Stopped only after protests and state sponsored terrorism to try and prevent those protests.

    So if the EU will happily irradiate its territories and former colonies for science, I'm fully confident that they would do the same in the ME for economics er war on terror.
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    There is potential value in irradiating your own territory through tests. There is pretty-much never value in doing so to any territory in the context of a war.

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    Well heck, now you've got me wishing this was a lets get rid of trident thread, at least it wouldnt be as pointless as trying to guilt europe over irradiating uninhabitd islands and uninhabitable deser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    There is potential value in irradiating your own territory through tests. There is pretty-much never value in doing so to any territory in the context of a war.

    Why don't you grasp this distinction?
    I do grasp the distinction.

    If you are prepared to irradiate your own territory for science why wouldn't you be prepared to irradiate an enemies territory to wipe out a pest if the ROI was there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio View Post
    I do grasp the distinction.

    If you are prepared to irradiate your own territory for science why wouldn't you be prepared to irradiate an enemies territory to wipe out a pest if the ROI was there.
    Because it never makes strategic sense.

    Also, I want to hear about these more recent tests - because afaik Britain stopped in the late 50's.
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    Europe has been happy to test much larger nuclear weapons in Australia and in the Pacific...
    And before that It has been happy to colonize the Americas and Australia, what is your point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myth View Post
    And before that It has been happy to colonize the Americas and Australia, what is your point?
    He was just pointing out the typical European double standards and I agree with him.


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