IMMIGRATION thread

[Husar]

I expect you will now attempt to explain how the smugglers are devoid of agency and thus thier actions are entirely our responsibility, not thier own.

If they are "our" smugglers, they are as much our responsibility as the terrorists are the refugees' responsibility.

Actually I support to close the borders and send everyone back because accepting more people into our welfare state than we usually do when we are experiencing an economic downturn, with shortages in housing and jobs, would be tantamount to economic suicide. The culture clash and the terrorist infiltration is just an extra layer of nope but the only point that anyone here are willing to fail at attempting to discredit.

You also have an economic downturn if your demographics go bottom up, Sarmatian already covered that.

It's your people beating up and bombing the immigrants not mine, or is the collective punisment you speak of not the retaliation for paris and cologne, as your article defines it, but reffering to the idea that we were going to let all of them in if not for the pesky terrorists?

Indeed, your country only messed up the creation of their nation states and caused a large chunk of the current mess in the first place. Who invaded Iraq again? Not us.
And Pannonian did argue not to let them in because of terrorist attacks, no? Is he French now? Didn't you basically say the same thing? Oh wait, you just did.
What the governments do was not part of my argument, I was commenting on your arguments.

Yes and we all know how eager the germans were to render aid, out of the goodness of thier hearts and no strings attatched.

We let them in, didn't we?

Punishment requires inflicting penalties or taking away something from someone for thier actions, whereas we werent going to give them access in the first place.

You're taking away their right to flee to a safer place, their freedom of movement. You know, the one they had before you told them to stay and wait until ISIS come to behead them. If you are not going to help anyone in need because you are afraid that they may destroy your good christian values, I'd advise you to check your christians values again.

I didn't say that they where closed, but locked (i.e. the employees have all left). If I suddenly felt a strong urge to look at a real ananas right now and the stores are closed, and I don't have any ananasses here; I would have a problem. But the store is not locked as it is closed as a punishment for any potential ananas thieves; it's just a security measure.

Even if the store is not locked yet closed, you still aren't allowed to buy an ananas (i.e. you'd still be "punished"), your argument makes no sense.

Except this reasoning is fallacious. You can take the initiative to solve one security issue without simultaneously committing yourself to solve any security issue you can possibly think of ASAP.

Then why not start with the most urgent ones?
And why solve it in the most hamfisted, xenophobic way instead of using far better methods to weed out the undesirables?