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    Default Re: Ukraine conflict episode 2 Putin´s Empire strikes back

    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven....html#comments should work, has nothing to do with that plane though

    upper video, it's French but not hard to understand
    And what does it prove? The fact that there were nazis on Maidan? Never denied that one. I denied the premise that they formed the bulk of protesters, were the moving force behind all the actions and have ruled (are still ruling) the country ever since. Anyway, no one seemed very excited when nazis took important positions in the Russian government:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI0eEH_ZuHE
    The guy who is saluting at the end of the 2007 video (and the crowd around is following him) is Dmitry Rogozin - DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER of Russia.

    As for the French movie - started to watch it but when I saw videos with Azov marching on Maidan (it was formed THREE MONTHS AFTER those events) and heard that in Odesa 46 people "of Russian origin" died (the total number of victims was 48 (6 of whom were pro-Ukrainian fotball fans killed at the march before the fire started), but the author CAN'T KNOW THEIR ORIGIN - all he can speculate on is their political stance) - gave it up. More on the film is here (it is in French, sorry):
    http://www.lemonde.fr/televisions-ra...2_1655027.html


    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    Well, it wasn't the criminal investigation, but Dutch Safety Board chairman explicitly stated that Ukraine had enough evidence to close the air space for civilian travel and should have done so.
    As I have mentioned, Ukraine DIDN'T HAVE enough evidence, the Stinger type missile launchers the separatists had couldn't reach the altitude used by passenger planes. The Buk could - but at that time Ukraine didn't know Russia provided it (with the crew) for them to use.
    Last edited by Gilrandir; 02-11-2016 at 14:31.
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    The article exists for a reason yes, I did not write it...

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