Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
See Brenus pointing to overthrowing the Shah as one of the root causes of the current mess in Syria. Apparently a native people having had their own choice of government for 40 years, developing their strength to the point that they're now asserting their power in their region, is still the helpless victim of our actions 40 years ago, and their current actions in conducting a proxy war with another regional power is chiefly our fault. Apparently the natives are incapable of independent thought or responsibility, as everything is down to us.
Wow! Way to go on misrepresenting an argument. The point was made that a far more important regional interference was
the destruction of Iraq as a viable state...and then the overt support for an overthrow of the Syrian regime. But, by all means pretend that the last action by Western powers was forty years ago...

Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
It's already been decided that the west, and especially the Anglo-Americans, are already morally wrong in any given situation, so why should we bother to change our minds? As nothing we do will ever change that inescapable fact, as shown by your dismissal of any credit that the locals ever give the British (it doesn't change the bigger picture etc). Not doing anything on our part doesn't make us wronger, as we're already morally wrong, but on the good side, it's cheaper for us.
It's so much easier to blame those displaced (and powerless) than to look to your own regimes who are busy screwing you over, screwing them over and laughing all the way to the bank. Us 'native Europeans' are such a gullible bunch aren't we?