Quote Originally Posted by Kralizec View Post
Posts like this one make me want to build walls.

Yes, it's understandable. I don't think I would do it in the same situation (I'm not an adventurous type), but I understand the material motives for wanting to ditch a developing country for a rich one. I just dislike it when people phrase these motivations in quasi-humanitarian terms. Every now and then I even hear or read the term "economic refugee" - GAH!

If Americans want to seal their border with concrete they have every right to do so. One might wonder how effective it would be or wether it's worth the effort, but that's not my concern. The only stupid things about Trumps' proposal are his bigoted way of phrasing it and the idea that Mexico is somehow going to pay for it. More likely he'll find some other way to weasel Mexico out of some money, and then claim that the wall is financed entirely out of that.

I'm more concerned about the environmental aspect, i.e. the movement of wildlife as opposed to undocumented fortune seekers.
What exactly makes you angry about what I said?
That I have sympathy for people who were born in squalor, corruption and violence?
Wouldn't that include a whole lot of our own ancestors?

I don't forbid anyone from building walls, I just think it's a stupid, superficial, heartless, xenophobic idea borne out of selfishness that does not solve the root of the problem at all, it only puts one more obstacle into the way of desperate people. The Spanish built three very high fences around Melilla and people still try to climb them. They also send people back illegally and have the Morrocan police beat them up and people still try to get in.

As for undocumented fortune seekers, as I said before, trying to make things go your way, having goals and following them ruthlessly, even being stupid as a teenager are things which are cherished in our culture until someone poor from outside our culture gets the same idea, then they're greedy criminals...

You know, there are simple ways to start, such as paying a price for coffee that does not require what's basically slave labor...
But "the market" being the way it is makes it okay I guess.