IKEA mafia [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Is that wolfy of me?

You get to make your own defense. You tell folks why it's not wolfy.

I have my opinion and it matches my vote.

[Zack]

You get to make your own defense. You tell folks why it's not wolfy.

I have my opinion and it matches my vote.

I already did. #443

You always love to go on and on about past meta, and you are actively ignoring it here. I have done way more to defend myself than Jarrema, for example.

Considering that most of the players in this game have posted less overall than I have in the last ten minutes, your attempts to shame me won't work. I'm not ashamed of anything I've done this game, I regret nothing.

I'm not going to pretend I'm a power role, because I'm not, I'm just vanilla. So I apologize for failing to magically divine that you were a mason.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also isn't your justification for this vote that you accused me of acting differently than I have as town in the past? After that, you then said "well your play can and will change" on several occasions to refute me.

A) I'm not sure what your point is

B) I can't even remember because I had to read through a page and a half of pretzel-related discussion.

[Zack]

My read is that you're pushing far too hard for D1. Especially because you know how this forum plays. I think you're trying to cement yourself as the town leader this time around, ASAP for whatever reason.

Because I come to expect it more from them than you. Usually it's they act, you react.

I am scummy for (allegedly) acting differently than I have in the past...

That was well over three years ago, don't try to say that your game hasn't changed since then.

Pointing out instances in which you did things differently isn't doing you any favors. Gameplay evolves.

...but apparently my past behavior does not matter (??)

Your reasoning for voting me makes zero sense. There are glaring contradictions.

[Zack]

You get to make your own defense. You tell folks why it's not wolfy.

I have my opinion and it matches my vote.

I'm interested to hear your take on why scumzack peaces out for an extend period of time with no excuse. I'm guessing you probably think it's a ploy of some kind. You should know that when I am scum, I have an obsessive need to refute a case like that.

This whole thing reminds me of the half-monty game you hosted.

[Zack]

fwiw I think el barto is howling. This is really out-of-character for him if he's town.

[Zack]

Well, since we apparently aren't going to lynch GH or his paranoid girlfriend something-or-other-khaan, then let's try. unvote; vote: Choxorn
@edse @Punisher @seireikhaan @AdmiralKleenex @Visor @johnhughthom @Askthepizzaguy.

Back into the ibuprofenic daze for me it is.

Notice how he tried to move everyone off the Jarrema wagon and onto choxorn, even though I was leading (not jarrema). I think jarrema/barto w/w makes a lot of sense.

[Zack]

Town - Visor, edse, choxorn, raith, khaan, jht

Wolf - Jarema, Barto, Al sips (if jarema wolf), Punisher (if jarema village)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hmm.

Unvote: Zack

[Zack]

I have nothing more to say. This will be my last post until eod unless someone specifically asks me to address something.

Someone please switch over to Jarema.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Barto's been referencing his illness/medicine haze a lot. Has he brought up RL stuff like this in the past?

[Zack]

I have nothing more to say.

Sorry, I lied. The below is not alignment-indicative in any way.
@Sooh

I can already tell you're an awesome host. Just a lot of little things done right. Keep up the good work, sad that I probably won't be able to play much of it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm interested to hear your take on why scumzack peaces out for an extend period of time with no excuse.

I don't know what to think.

From my POV I see the game unfolding as it has been, and your behavior doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The best person to explain it to me is you.

Your meta isn't as simple as knowing it and going ah that's scum zack or town zack. I've seen you be low-posting and snarky, low-posting and serious, heavy posting and snarky, heavy posting and combative, heavy posting and diplomatic and lighthearted, as every alignment.

Scum Zack is a lot of different personalities.

I make a guess, I lay it out. It's up to town Zack to help me through my mistake at that point. I'm willing to listen. Even at this point in the game, after many attempts to hear you out have resulted in lolpretzels and you'll feel like such an idiot, and you're a liar about wanting to town with me posts. (etc)

I'm still here, listening. Waiting for town Zack to help me understand.

What I'm getting in the past 24 hours and now is a lot of stuff that's just more confusing to me and less than constructive.

Not trying to shame you. Just letting you know why this is a struggle on my end.

[Sooh]

Votes:

AdmiralKleenex (7) - askthepizzaguy, BSmith, Golden1Knight, Jarema, atheotes, Al Sips, Raith Kemmler
Choxorn (1) - El Barto
Jarema (7) - edse, Punisher, seireikhaan, AdmiralKleenex, Visor, johnhughthom, Choxorn
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

Not voting: GH




Less than 1 hour to go.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Best I usually get with scum Zack is to say "that's within his scum meta" and have you as neutral or slightly worse.

Can't recall a single game where I thought I had you dead to rights.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Barto's been referencing his illness/medicine haze a lot. Has he brought up RL stuff like this in the past?

I don't know. I don't play on CFC as much as I used to, so it's tough for me to say. I also tend to think that's alignment neutral.

Essentially every vote in the game right now is a tie-breaker. Be nice if a scum swings today. I honestly don't care how that comes about.

If it's people lynching Jarema and he's scum, that's fine. That's step 1 in a process to solve the game. I made my case and laid it out, if it's wrong then it is.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Case on Jarema: Early post twigged some alarms for unJaremalike behavior, not much additional content from him but it looks like we have a credible associate or two if he flips scum

Case on Zack: All over the friggin place, his flip reveals a lot either way.

Vote: Jarema

Just don't ever give me 50 posts in a row about pretzels in a row again, okay?

[Zack]

Fine, I'll try to walk you through my thoughts on my behavior.

Look at half Monty. I survived that huge diy case (as town) and ended up being lynchbait all game, to the point where I and others wondered if it simply would have been better if I'd been lynched early on.

I don't want to be lynchbait, I don't want to have to keep fighting off votes all game, and town can obviously survive ad1 mislynch. I figured your mind was set, and honestly I WAS peeved at you for the Skype thing, because you made it seem like manipulative bs. And I didn't want to deal with an angry pizza tunneling me all game, because I lose that battle 100% of the time, especially on the org.

Go up and count the number of people whose only posts this phase are to vote me with little thought and leave. I don't want to deal with that as town. I really don't.

Later I came back and got to work because I'm me and I can't just do nothing, no matter how much I want to.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't want to be lynchbait, I don't want to have to keep fighting off votes all game, and town can obviously survive ad1 mislynch. I figured your mind was set, and honestly I WAS peeved at you for the Skype thing, because you made it seem like manipulative bs. And I didn't want to deal with an angry pizza tunneling me all game, because I lose that battle 100% of the time, especially on the org.

Just fyi, and so you'll know when the game is over and I confirm it, I don't lie to people outside of games to prep a scum tactic in future game.

As much as I give of myself to these games I ultimately don't care about them. My goal in these settings is social. I'd rather lose every game than make my friends dislike me.

[Zack]

Best I usually get with scum Zack is to say "that's within his scum meta" and have you as neutral or slightly worse.

Can't recall a single game where I thought I had you dead to rights.

Table it until later then. I'm a skilled town player you admitted you have trouble reading. Seems silly to lynch me d1. Plus I was probably getting investigated by some power tonight even if none of this had happened.

[Zack]

Just fyi, and so you'll know when the game is over and I confirm it, I don't lie to people outside of games to prep a scum tactic in future game.

As much as I give of myself to these games I ultimately don't care about them. My goal in these settings is social. I'd rather lose every game than make my friends dislike me.

Still, I'd honestly appreciate it if you never say something like that again. Don't make promises you can't keep.

[Jarema]

unvote; vote: AdmiralKleenex.

self-preservation is a potent tool

[Zack]

I know I town read visor but his general apathy after his initial spark has me worried.

I am a very paranoid townie. It's why I would post something like where I said one of GH, pizza, visor is a wolf. Because the possibility is always there in the back of my mind.

lolme

[Zack]

unvote; vote: AdmiralKleenex.

self-preservation is a potent tool

You are already voting me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Still, I'd honestly appreciate it if you never say something like that again. Don't make promises you can't keep.

It would be a mistake to take sentiments that I'd like to work more constructively with you in future games, as a promise to not scum-read you in the very next game if that's what I think your alignment is.

I'm really surprised that's how you would treat such an idea. Better to pick it up postgame as well, as the entire discussion about that is pretty out of place during the game.

[Zack]

It would be a mistake to take sentiments that I'd like to work more constructively with you in future games, as a promise to not scum-read you in the very next game if that's what I think your alignment is.

I'm really surprised that's how you would treat such an idea. Better to pick it up postgame as well, as the entire discussion about that is pretty out of place during the game.

That's not how I took it and that's not what I meant, but whatever. Go ahead and lynch me, if you aren't swayed at this point you never will be.

[Visor]

unvote; vote: AdmiralKleenex.

self-preservation is a potent tool

Holy Christmas that'd a howler

[Sooh]

Votes:

AdmiralKleenex (7) - askthepizzaguy, BSmith, Golden1Knight, Jarema, atheotes, Al Sips, Raith Kemmler
Choxorn (1) - El Barto
Jarema (8) - edse, Punisher, seireikhaan, AdmiralKleenex, Visor, johnhughthom, Choxorn, GH
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

Not voting:


30 minutes to go!

[Zack]

Holy Christmas that'd a howler

I also kinda think it spew clears me. He wanted to be extra sure he was voting zack.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Jarema, do you have anything constructive to add to the game?

Who is town, who is scum iyo