IKEA mafia [Concluded]

[atheotes]

Those 2 things could be one and the same.

well...i am being specific about something. Pizza is making a general statement probably being sarcastic that i am stating the obvious...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Actually I thought it was funny as a stand alone statement of obviousness, it wasn't meant as mockery towards atheotes, but of my general help level towards the village so far which has been abysmal other than claiming the role I randed.

[Sooh]

For the past couple of nights there had indeed been rustling and bustling about in the living room. Furniture had moved about, sabotaging other furniture, but this night a saboteur was sabotaged. When morning came he could not stand on his leg anymore. He collapsed, leaving behind a torn cushion and a lone leg standing.

Visorslash has been killed.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

He was Arvika footstool, town 2 shot vigilante.

[Al Sipsclar]

Vote: BSmith. There's nothing wrong with the role-fishing, but everything is with lazy off-wagon voting.

[Sooh]

Vote count:

BSmith (1) - Al Sipsclar

Not voting: Raith Kemmler, BSmith, atheotes, Golden1Knight, GeneralHankerchief, edse, Eldrick, Askthepizzaguy

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: BSmith. There's nothing wrong with the role-fishing, but everything is with lazy off-wagon voting.

100%

Vote: BSmith

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Bsmith why not

[Eldrick]

Vote: BSmith

[Eldrick]

And if BSmith is scum, GH almost assuredly isn't.

Requoting for relevance. Train on GH was El Barto and BSmith. If he flips scum, GH is clear imo.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If GH is clear the game is incredibly easy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I know, without a doubt, that Visor killed johnhughthom.

So, edse, what's all this about?

Vote Edse

[Golden1Knight]

Vote: BSmith

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you read BSmith, Al Sips, and GH through the lens of El Barto, I would recommend resolving edse first.

Edse needs to hard claim now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

look at the day where there was a tie that I broke in Punisher's favor.

Watch El Barto.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't think it's eldrick or atheotes either.

Basically it's edse or BSmith and I don't believe it's BSmith but lol me if thats wrong again.

Edse was trying to get some separation between himself and punisher, bussing the lowest posting mafioso is standard tactics.

[Al Sipsclar]

Unvote; vote: edse.

[Raith Kemmler]

Harried voting in sympathy to Atpg's point,

Vote: Edse

[atheotes]

I don't think it's eldrick or atheotes either.

Basically it's edse or BSmith and I don't believe it's BSmith but lol me if thats wrong again.

Edse was trying to get some separation between himself and punisher, bussing the lowest posting mafioso is standard tactics.

I dont think there was any need to buss Punisher at the point. 3 ppl were tied on 2 votes each (Punisher, Raith and GH) and Double A had 3. He moved his vote from Visor to Punisher. I can understand bussing your partner when there is some suspicion on them. Here it was not necessary.

I havent seen any bus driver claims. from what we have seen, there is no reason for any town power role not to claim anymore. How did GH escape Visor's kill attempt? I am thinking GH is godfather kind of role and hence Punisher got killed instead. The number of starting mafia might be 4.
Vote: GH

[atheotes]

On the Punisher votes, i can see GH's vote as bussing but fail to understand why Edse would feel the need to do it.

[edse]

So, edse, what's all this about?

Vote Edse

Visor killed jht, what's there to explain? I know it and the bus driver, if he really exists, know it.

If you read BSmith, Al Sips, and GH through the lens of El Barto, I would recommend resolving edse first.

Edse needs to hard claim now.

You know I don't claim.

look at the day where there was a tie that I broke in Punisher's favor.

Watch El Barto.

Where he for a moment voted together with me on Visor? Now that's distancing. Meanwhile you called Punisher your mason partner and outright saved him from being lynched (50/50).

[Sooh]

Vote count:

BSmith (3) - , GeneralHankerchief, Golden1Knight, Eldrick

edse (3) - Askthepizzaguy, Al Sipsclar, Raith Kemmler

GeneralHankerchief (1) - atheotes

Not voting: BSmith, edse,

[atheotes]

Visor killed jht, what's there to explain? I know it and the bus driver, if he really exists, know it.

When you say Visor killed John, it doesnt add up. Why would punisher get killed by his team mates? Why would Visor lie about his kill?
There have been no claims of anyone being the bus driver. It doesnt seem likely at this point.

[Eldrick]

Visor killed jht, what's there to explain? I know it and the bus driver, if he really exists, know it.



You know I don't claim.



Where he for a moment voted together with me on Visor? Now that's distancing. Meanwhile you called Punisher your mason partner and outright saved him from being lynched (50/50).

What's to explain is HOW you know it. The only 2 things that make sense to me are you personally altered his shot or know who did.

You are denying being bus driver. The other thing that comes to mind is redirect or.

Unvote
Vote:edse

Explain how you know or die.

[Eldrick]

If my count is correct, maj is 6, right?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Majority lynch isn't a thing on this board unless stated, I don't think we've run a maj lynch game yet.

@ Edse continuing to toss suspicion on me is bogus.

I know from a neutral and claim-ignoring POV my vote that saved punisher is bad and looks suspicious. But thankfully I have an actual mason role and an actual mason partner to cover up my abortion of a game so far.

Edse, there's no way you're not lying here. The only way the mafia kill was on their own team is with a town bus driver.

No villager has claimed bus driver. You're not even claiming to be said person. After calling our vig a liar and trying to get him lynched, who has been responsible for all the mafia deaths so far, I'm not lynching outside of you and only you, until you give a full claim.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also if "you know I don't claim" is intended to be a cross game policy position, you've claimed before so that's also not true.

[Askthepizzaguy]

With 9 alive and 1 death per night and 1 per day, the masons can be ignored outright until final five. In which case if we haven't solved it by then, a lynch on either of us loses the game for us and can be considered forced.

Unless there's five mafia this game (outrageous on this board, usually 3 is the maximum even in larger games).

Which would be possible only if basically everyone left alive has a town power role.

So unless everyone here is a town power role, G1K and I are masons and should be left alive until final 5.

This is phrased conditionally but is not conditional.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just noticed the "bus driver, if he really exists" line.

Okay, so now you're claiming that you're not the bus driver.

That leaves tracker or watcher.

So you should out your tracking data / watcher data and help solve. I don't know what you're doing, but it looks like bussing Punisher is the only thing you really have as your defense. Which, given a claimed vig and a claimed mason pair, makes bussing your ticket to late game.

Because the vig and the masons would always have to die first. That makes bussing viable since you don't need to be murdered immediately because the scum has a process of elimination which would de-prioritize you if you were town lynching scum there.

It's also a 50/50 spot. Gambling the flip goes your way on a low-posting partner is anti-analysis and basically the only move the scum team has to win a game like this except pure luck.

Bottom line- reveal what you know and how you know it, and then I'm still lynching you to verify that data is real.

[Askthepizzaguy]

About GeneralHankerchief:

Do a search for just Sooh's vote counts this game, and watch Punisher and El Barto.

Do you firmly believe GH is Punisher and El Barto's mafia partner based on that pattern, @atheotes?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote count:

ATPG (1) - Khaan
AdmiralKleenex (2) - GH, johnhughthom
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto
Jarema (4) - Visor, Al Sips, edse, Punisher
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

Not voting: atheotes, BSmith, Choxorn, Golden1Knight

I think I'd rather see General Handkerchief in more contention.

Unvote;

Vote: GH

Why don't you like me?
@Sooh: please keep the man under control.

Seriously? The jarrema lynch is silly and it's either voting you for voting the wannabe-you in a silly manner or him for voting you in a slightly less silly manner. vote: GeneralHankerchief.

Vote count:

AdmiralKleenex (2) - GH, johnhughthom
Khaan (1) - ATPG
GH (4) - AdmiralKleenex, Raith Kemmler, El Barto, Golden1Knight
Visor (1) - Jarema
Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, edse, Punisher, seireikhaan
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

Not voting: atheotes, BSmith, Choxorn

Vote count:

AdmiralKleenex (2) - GH, johnhughthom
GH (6) - AdmiralKleenex, Raith Kemmler, El Barto, Golden1Knight, Askthepizzaguy, Choxorn
Visor (1) - Jarema
Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, edse, Punisher, seireikhaan
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

Not voting: atheotes, BSmith

Vote count:

AdmiralKleenex (3) - GH, johnhughthom, askthepizzaguy
GH (5) - AdmiralKleenex, Raith Kemmler, El Barto, Golden1Knight, Choxorn
Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, edse, Punisher, seireikhaan
johnhughthom (1) - Double A
Choxorn (1) - Jarema

Not voting: atheotes, BSmith

Vote count:

AdmiralKleenex (7) - GH, johnhughthom, askthepizzaguy, Visor, BSmith, Golden1Knight, Jarema
GH (4) - AdmiralKleenex, Raith Kemmler, El Barto, Choxorn
Jarema (4) - Al Sips, edse, Punisher, seireikhaan
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

Not voting: atheotes

Vote count

AdmiralKleenex (8) - GH, askthepizzaguy, BSmith, Golden1Knight, Jarema, atheotes, Al Sips, Raith Kemmler

GH (1) - El Barto

Jarema (7) - edse, Punisher, seireikhaan, AdmiralKleenex, Visor, johnhughthom, Choxorn

johnhughthom (1) - Double A

El Barto and Punisher hail from CFC where vote movement doesn't really occur that much, especially on D1.

So, El Barto was hard bussing GH on d1 if they're both partners.

Compare GH with Edse. Which one looks worse based on D1?