Brexit Thread

[Fragony]

Binding is an incredibly difficult word it seems

[Husar]

So what if Cameron leaves, and then you get new elections, and a party runs on the promise of ignoring the referendum and not invoking article 50 and then this party gets >50% of the vote?

[Lizardo]

No there would be civil war if that happened

[Greyblades]

So what if Cameron leaves, and then you get new elections, and a party runs on the promise of ignoring the referendum and not invoking article 50 and then this party gets >50% of the vote?

Considering Juncker told us to piss off, I donts ee it happening.

[HopAlongBunny]

The Science community is worried:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...leave-the-e-u/

In what may become a popular refrain: "gov't will compensate for shortfalls"

[Pannonian]

The Science community is worried:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...leave-the-e-u/

In what may become a popular refrain: "gov't will compensate for shortfalls"

Cornwall pleas for reassurance it will not be 'worse off' following Brexit vote

Cornwall has issued an urgent plea for reassurance that it will not be worse off following the Brexit vote.

The county has received a "significant amounts" of funding from the EU for the past 15 years due to its "relatively weak economy".

But, after 56.5% of voters in the county chose to leave the Union, the council says it is now seeking urgent reassurance that money allocated to it will still be received.

Prior to the vote the Council said they were told by the Leave campaign that funding would still be available.

They also said they had been told Cornwall "would not be worse off" in terms of investment they received.
Now that we know the UK will be leaving the EU we will be taking urgent steps to ensure that the UK Government protects Cornwall’s position in any negotiations.

We will be insisting that Cornwall receives investment equal to that provided by the EU programme which has averaged £60M per year over the last ten years.

– JOHN POLLARD, THE LEADER OF CORNWALL COUNCIL

Cornwall can piss off. London money for Londoners only.

[Greyblades]

Are you drunk?

[CrossLOPER]

Are you drunk?

Come on, man! Have some imagination. Every county can be its own country! There's no limit! With the US's gerrymandering skills, you can create a geopolitical landscape unseen since the Thirty Years' War!

[drone]

The true tragedy of this vote will be the decline of the Premier League. Needing work permits for the South American talent is bad enough, now the continental players will have to do the same.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

So what if Cameron leaves, and then you get new elections, and a party runs on the promise of ignoring the referendum and not invoking article 50 and then this party gets >50% of the vote?

Why do you think he's putting off invoking Article 50?

Personally, I can hardly believe it - but it's not that surprising when you consider that the "Stay" campaign devolved into "Project Fear" to the extent that a lot of people are now convinced fascism is coming.

What decided it for me, I think, was the German politicians talking about how it would be "hard" if we left and they're now saying we'll "suffer" so I think we'rem well shot. Trying to intimidate the English just causes us to set our faces, and the Welsh are the same. Ireland - as noted - voted along Sectarian lines but the split wasn't that clean, about 11%, the Scottish gap at 18% is more profound, but turnout there was also 6% lower.

Gibraltar will be upset but they won't leave, especially given how quick Spain was to try to get the knife in.

If the EU is smart they'll offer the UK a deal that's better than WTO rules but not as nice as being in the EU and leave the door open for us to come back in 10 years after we've had our fill of living democratically.

Of course, in ten years the EU might have undergone the sort of reform Britain has been demanding for a couple of decades but which Italy, France and Germany are only now considering - after the horse has bolted.

[Pannonian]

Why do you think he's putting off invoking Article 50?

Personally, I can hardly believe it - but it's not that surprising when you consider that the "Stay" campaign devolved into "Project Fear" to the extent that a lot of people are now convinced fascism is coming.

What decided it for me, I think, was the German politicians talking about how it would be "hard" if we left and they're now saying we'll "suffer" so I think we'rem well shot. Trying to intimidate the English just causes us to set our faces, and the Welsh are the same. Ireland - as noted - voted along Sectarian lines but the split wasn't that clean, about 11%, the Scottish gap at 18% is more profound, but turnout there was also 6% lower.

Gibraltar will be upset but they won't leave, especially given how quick Spain was to try to get the knife in.

If the EU is smart they'll offer the UK a deal that's better than WTO rules but not as nice as being in the EU and leave the door open for us to come back in 10 years after we've had our fill of living democratically.

Of course, in ten years the EU might have undergone the sort of reform Britain has been demanding for a couple of decades but which Italy, France and Germany are only now considering - after the horse has bolted.

And London, which pays more into the kitty that funds services in the UK than any other region, voted strongly to remain. And Cornwall, having voted to leave, are now seeking reassurances from the Leave camp that EU subsidies will be replaced by ones from Westminster. I say screw them. London money for Londoners only. Let the Leavers make their own way, without London to soften their landing.

I would now support regional governments in England, with local taxation funding local services, with only defence and foreign affairs shared at a higher level. Let the southwest, Welsh, north, etc. fund themselves from their own tax money, without dipping into London's coffers.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I'm sorry, is the wealthy Londoner coming down to earth with a bump, realising he doesn't control the country?

You lost the vote - get over it and move on.

[Pannonian]

I'm sorry, is the wealthy Londoner coming down to earth with a bump, realising he doesn't control the country?

You lost the vote - get over it and move on.

London hasn't been controlling the country, voting consistently Labour while the rest of England voted Tory. But these were elections and occurred regularly, and I'm ok with subsidising the rest of the country even though these regular elections put London at odds with the rest of the country. But this vote has results that will last for decades, and London, whose money keeps the rest of the country afloat (including fiscal black holes like the south west and Wales), has been dragged out of the EU despite voting 60% remain. If the south west value their pride that much, let them pay for it themselves. Break off the south east as far north as Essex, as far west as Berkshire, and everything to their south and east. Let the rest of England make their own way.

[InsaneApache]

You don't really get this democracy malarky do you?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

London hasn't been controlling the country, voting consistently Labour while the rest of England voted Tory. But these were elections and occurred regularly, and I'm ok with subsidising the rest of the country even though these regular elections put London at odds with the rest of the country. But this vote has results that will last for decades, and London, whose money keeps the rest of the country afloat (including fiscal black holes like the south west and Wales), has been dragged out of the EU despite voting 60% remain. If the south west value their pride that much, let them pay for it themselves. Break off the south east as far north as Essex, as far west as Berkshire, and everything to their south and east. Let the rest of England make their own way.

Have you considered that the reason we voted "Leave" outside of our own little Micro-London of Exeter is that we just haven't been seeing the benefit? Londoners talk about subsidising the UK the way Victorians talk about housing the poor. The South West is poor because it relies on farming and UK farming has ever been a target of the EU because the CAP benefit French farming.

[Furunculus]

So what if Cameron leaves, and then you get new elections, and a party runs on the promise of ignoring the referendum and not invoking article 50 and then this party gets >50% of the vote?

then we resort to article 61 in the original treaty of magna carta: lawful rebellion.

i.e. we turn up in front of parliament with burning brands and erect a gibbet.

[Greyblades]

Brexit was a flawed campaign that could have been lost if come up against someone with a good sense of public relations, bremain alas had none.

[HopAlongBunny]

BBC DeadRingers:

http://bbc.in/28QdRD6

[Beskar]

Brexit was a flawed campaign that could have been lost if come up against someone with a good sense of public relations, bremain alas had none.

As InsaneApache puts it "Remain was led by a buttered potato".

Ashame that the Liberal Democrats were decimated last election, they would have done a really good Remain campaign, since they are the most pro-EU party. I did see a trickle of their campaigning, and it was a spirited and optimistic one. Unfortunately, it was overshadowed by a buttered potato who isn't even pro-EU.

Thing is, basically everyone campaign wise neglected my local area (except for a stall in the Town Centre led by a Libdem candidate and her daughter) which led to 70% voting out.

[Beskar]

[Kralizec]

Who would be surprised if David Cameron's next Career path lead to him being the next president of the EU?

Anybody with a brain would be surprised when a citizen of a non-EU country becomes "president of the EU"

Binding is an incredibly difficult word it seems

This referendum is not binding. The government certainly isn't going to ignore the result, but legally it isn't required to act on it.

What decided it for me, I think, was the German politicians talking about how it would be "hard" if we left and they're now saying we'll "suffer" so I think we'rem well shot. Trying to intimidate the English just causes us to set our faces, and the Welsh are the same. Ireland - as noted - voted along Sectarian lines but the split wasn't that clean, about 11%, the Scottish gap at 18% is more profound, but turnout there was also 6% lower.

If you're talking about Schauble (German finance minister) I think his point was that getting Britain into a similar relationship to the EU as Norway or Switzerland has would entirely defeat the point of leaving. EFTA is actually a bit of a misnomer, as it goes far beyond free trade. It includes freedom of movement and a large part, perhaps the majority, of regulations the EU has set.
Sovereignty and anti-immigration sentiment were important motivations for Brexit voters. Becoming an EFTA member goes against both, plus it actually removes the UK's say in those regulations.

If it's not Schauble, I wonder who you're thinking of, and wether or not you actually paid attention to what he or she said...instead of just going by the headlines.

If the EU is smart they'll offer the UK a deal that's better than WTO rules but not as nice as being in the EU and leave the door open for us to come back in 10 years after we've had our fill of living democratically.

Ten years seems like a fairly short time. But it could happen, and the EU could change a lot in that time - for better or worse. It seems unlikely though that the UK will get as many opt-out clauses as they currently have.