Brexit Thread

[Greyblades]

When Andrea Leadsom says one way for small companies to cope with Brexit is to remove all regulations and employees' rights, it would suggest that the EU has a part in making sure these regulations and rights are there.

Actually it suggests that andrea leadsome is an idiot and that's why she lost to may.

Greyblades brought up the homeless problem as one of the reasons the UK should get out of the EU.
BUT: homeless were there before the UK joined the EU and even before there was any UK (I don't mean those were the same people, though) and will be there anyway. Blaming societal ulcers onto someONE is ridiculous. They were always there rising and ebbing depending on many factors. Even if you subtract one of those it doesn't mean the situation will improve. What if by exiting the EU Great Britain (or Lesser Britain) will provoke a downhill tendency in economy thus increasing the number of local (not imported) hobos?

Conclusion: don't expect that Brexit will heal all sores of your country since they were not begotten by EU membership.

Econimic downturns can reverse, EU immigration could not be stopped or controlled without leaving and meant that the economic prosperity we were capable of creating in the EU would never be enough to eliminate unemployment, AKA the leading cause of sleeping rough.

Hmm, yes...

Better a truth you dont like than no real response at all.

So because you can't find data you can trust, you know it is the fault of the EU?
Even with the data we used earlier, you couldn't really explain the math that would imply it is the fault of the EU.
Yet you know it is the fault of the EU?

I know that the 184,000 immigrants a year is uncontrollable because of EU. I know that the homeless problem is increasing because I can see it on my streets and both sides of the political spectrum confirm it. I know that rough sleeping is largely a result of unemployment from both common sense (you cant afford to rent a house if you are broke) and said political consensus. I can find data I can trust, I just cant find data that can answer your question. Where are immigrants getting houses? Who knows, I suspect a lowered definition of housing on the part of the immigrant and a reliance on voluntary application on the part of the surveys.

Obviously the fault of the EU?

You brought it up. I only exploited it to pre-empt an appeal to dropping unemployment rates.

And why can so many of them secure work in your country?
Because of the EU? Again, does the EU enforce cheap contracts for cheap foreign workers? Why do the non-EU immigrants come? Are their cheap jobs also mandated by the EU?

The government doesnt control the private sector and cant put controls on who we take in thanks to the EU, meaning that if I voted in a government that wanted to it couldnt, hence my problem with the EU.

Probably overlooked this part:

I didnt: you overlooked this part: "I'm fine with an economic depression when the alternative is having to witness hopeless stagnation every time I leave my home, the comfort and luxury of a first world country doesnt seem worth it if so many of my fellow britons are stuck outside."

Well, first of all, your article does not prove what you say right before it, it does not say every immigrant puts a UK citizen out of a job, it merely says a lot of the new jhobs go to immigrants, but that could just as well be due to a stagnating or slowly growing native population.

Nitpicking, every job going to an immigrant is one not going to a local and there is only so much that could be explained by lack of qualification on the part of the local in such an educated population. If it was down to a stagnating or slowly growing native population: unemployment would be near zero.

That the economic growth cannot keep pace with the population growth is something you did not show. And what about all the non-EU immigrants? Are they all allowed in and slip straight into unemployment?

Immigration of 330000 a year, mostly employed before arrival job creation of about 400,000 a year of which, lets be generous and say 350,000 are worth anything, gives a net growth of jobs of around 20,000 a year. Unemployment is at 1.67 million so we can say that at this rate UK in the EU would beat unemployment in 83 &1/2 years.

Assuming of course the numbers stays static and that the European economy could stay stable for 83 years, I somewhat doubt it considering Deuschbank just asked for a bailout, the mediteranian is going down the drain and Germany is putting 90 billion into a project of self harm, I give odds that it doesnt last 2 years before another crisis.

As you mentioned lowering immigration would damage the economy, diminishing returns, we need to lower it gradually but we cannot do that well if half a continent of poor people is utterly at liberty to undercut every job seeker in the country for a taste of a good life. Immigration shot up 100,000 in 2013 there's nothing stopping the EU immigrants from making up for any reduction in non EU immigration

Makes you wonder who let them rise through the party ranks and continuously elected them into higher and higher offices or how does one become a politician in the UK?

Makes you wonder if they can keep it up forever.