POTUS Election thread

[Veho Nex]

Besides "Trump is Hitler!" why should I vote for Hillary? Going over all her past shenanigans and watching the Benghazi and email trials she is literally the next Stalin. Her campaign has manipulated the media to blasting everyone else and portraying her as a paragon of virtue and trustworthiness.

Trump is only as popular as he is now because he doesn't really seem to care how people perceives him. He shouts to the rooftops that as president we'll find out if the desert glows from radiation, that world wars are needed, and that Mexico is going to build us a wall then stay on the other side of it. All that is a load of shit. He won't be able to do any of that due to the way our political processes work. There is no magic red button that he can press to launch nukes. Congress has the authority to declare war. There is no way in hell Mexico is going to pay the USA for the opportunity to build a wall between our two countries and there is no way in a frozen hell that US citizens would foot the bill for something that historically hasn't worked. Looking at you Great Wall of China and Hadrian's wall.

Clinton on the other hand has said that she will and won't continue our war in the middle east. She will and won't persecute the banks on wall street. Her supporters state that if anyone else did what she has done over the last few years they would be jailed but aggressively defend her when anyone tries to say she has broken the law.

The system is so obviously corrupt that people look to trump as a breath of fresh air in a stale corrupt system. The whole fucking thing is corrupt and broken. Trump and Clinton should be run outta town on a rail after being tarred and feathered. President is a duty to the people. Not a way for you to get your rocks off on power.

/rant

Sorry guys I just watched the Lynch hearings. She pretty much said nothing the whole hearing and is obviously in the back pocket of the Clinton group.

Trump is a wolf out in the open. He isn't hiding what he wants to be. Clinton is a snake dressed up sheep pretending to be the guard dog.

[Husar]

Besides "Trump is Hitler!" why should I vote for Hillary?

You mean him being Hitler is something you could live with and not reason enough?

[Veho Nex]

The fact that we have checks and balances means he cannot ever be Hitler. Clinton on the other hand is doing so many back room deals that I wouldn't be surprised to see her win the election with 105% of the popular vote. Everything I have seen has shown Hillary as the worst possible choice. No Trump is not any better but she is being touted as great leader and a someone who is good for our country.

She isn't. This run has seen so much Clinton corruption aired publicly but people still think she is the greatest. I cannot fathom how we got stuck with these two penis potatoes.

[spmetla]

No desire to vote Gary Johnson of the libertarians in?

[Veho Nex]

No desire to vote Gary Johnson of the libertarians in?

Its between him or Stein. Both of them have stances that I strongly believe in but also take strong stances that are completely the opposite of what I believe in.

I would have voted for Paul or Gowdy in a heartbeat if either were on the ticket.

[Hooahguy]

Its between him or Stein. Both of them have stances that I strongly believe in but also take strong stances that are completely the opposite of what I believe in.

I would have voted for Paul or Gowdy in a heartbeat if either were on the ticket.

Between the two, Johnson is the better candidate because I think that Stein is a total charlatan worse than Trump or Clinton. And between Trump and Clinton, Trump is worse because he would wreck our international relations by trying to run it like a business. Not to mention his shady connections to the Russians.

[spmetla]

I will never vote for Trump or Clinton so Gary Johnson gets my vote. Agree with a lot of his social and financial policies but not his foreign policy. Shame that the lack of drama in the Libertarian race means they don't get airtime and therefore are not a 'viable' option.

[Sarmatian]

You mean him being Hitler is something you could live with and not reason enough?

Trump cannot ever be Hitler. He is a demagogue who follows no ideology and lacks principles and conviction. He can at best be a poor man's Mussolini.

Hillary supporters can really be crazy sometimes. They tried to discredit Sanders by saying he won't be able to achieve his goals because of opposition in the congress but have no problems believing that Trump could press the button at his whim.

[Kralizec]

Hillary supporters can really be crazy sometimes. They tried to discredit Sanders by saying he won't be able to achieve his goals because of opposition in the congress but have no problems believing that Trump could press the button at his whim.

Trump and Sanders are both making promises that likely would not materialize. The difference is that Hillary supporters would generally be sypmathetic to Bernie's goals. Bernie would be underwhelming, while Trump would not quite be Hitler but still bad. Just saying that it's natural that Hillary's camp would counter them with different arguments.

Of course, there are Trump supporters who disagree with his anti-immigrant ideas but say he'll be a good president anyway. Because he'll fail to deliver on those promises. Or supporters who think that he's not serious about his anti-muslim rethoric to begin with, but still complain that Hillary is dishonest. I don't know where to begin, except....

[Montmorency]

The whole thing was a farce. Watch Clinton's face when she is getting questioned. She doesn't care, she looks annoyed and bored about being there, she looks like someone who is just going through the motions but knew the outcome before it happened.

Shady dealings, or basic human reasoning skills?

[Fragony]

Considering the Clinton's cv on shady dealings, what should one assume. Some Americans must be really bad in reading persons, she's dangerous

[Montmorency]

Let me put it this way:

If there is a terrorist attack or other violent incident involving Muslim perpetrators and Husar posts something like, 'We're about to see Fragony mention "childless Mutti's children" again', then would you assume that Husar has suddenly acquired secret mindreading technology = Illuminati confirmed? No.

You correctly understand that Husar has synthesized past experience with Fragony into the present conjecture.

This is learning on the level of rats and pigeons. Do not stoop below their level or soon you will reach the point of outright delusion.

[Ironside]

Besides "Trump is Hitler!" why should I vote for Hillary? Going over all her past shenanigans and watching the Benghazi and email trials she is literally the next Stalin. Her campaign has manipulated the media to blasting everyone else and portraying her as a paragon of virtue and trustworthiness.

The private email server is basically the same thing the Bush administration did. It becomes the situation of either prosecuting a lot of people or simply forcing that the practice is forbidden from now. Petraeus got two years’ probation plus a fine of $100,000 for a way more severe crime.

Is there anything substantial in Benghazi, outside poor judgement in retrospect and some early mail about not pinning it on islamist terrorists early on despite indication that it was true? The Republicans has demanded how many hearings and getting nothing substantial for how long now?

Trump is only as popular as he is now because he doesn't really seem to care how people perceives him. He shouts to the rooftops that as president we'll find out if the desert glows from radiation, that world wars are needed, and that Mexico is going to build us a wall then stay on the other side of it. All that is a load of shit. He won't be able to do any of that due to the way our political processes work. There is no magic red button that he can press to launch nukes. Congress has the authority to declare war. There is no way in hell Mexico is going to pay the USA for the opportunity to build a wall between our two countries and there is no way in a frozen hell that US citizens would foot the bill for something that historically hasn't worked. Looking at you Great Wall of China and Hadrian's wall.

There's been plenty of military conflicts without congress authorization and an elected Trump has the house and probably the senate. And they are in the same party whose people voted for Trump, aka they claim to want his policies. And there's a lot of things the President can do outside of that. There's plenty of damage he could do and unlike Hillary, he wouldn't need to do a sudden 180 and lose the support of the people who voted for him or supported him.

Clinton on the other hand has said that she will and won't continue our war in the middle east. She will and won't persecute the banks on wall street. Her supporters state that if anyone else did what she has done over the last few years they would be jailed but aggressively defend her when anyone tries to say she has broken the law.

Read her campaign promises. Expect her to hold most of them. She's basing her power on a diplomatic base, so any significant deviation would make her lose the support of the party. Unlike Trump, who has a strongman base.

And also: Come up with actual clear facts on what Hillary has done that is so horribly bad. Because starting out with that she's obviously guilty, so any reason why she's still not in prison is corruption might be a bit biased. Because it took about 10 minutes after someone came up with "there's no smoke without fire" for someone to come up with a smoke machine.

The fact that she's been extremely scrutinized and that there's not really more dirt than what you can expect from a high profile politician with a long career, might be a sign that there's no more dirt, rather than that she's a master manipulator. And by that time, if she is that high level master manipulator, she's certainly competent enough to be a good president.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-jill-abramson
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/fac...ponents/24196/

Trump cannot ever be Hitler. He is a demagogue who follows no ideology and lacks principles and conviction. He can at best be a poor man's Mussolini.

Hillary supporters can really be crazy sometimes. They tried to discredit Sanders by saying he won't be able to achieve his goals because of opposition in the congress but have no problems believing that Trump could press the button at his whim.

While Trump can't get to the button by himself true. But he can start bombing Serbia without going through congress (Hi Bill!). And he could be giving signs to Russians that he might not support Estonia through NATO if Estonia is attacked. And he might change his mind when getting called a coward for it. And then we have America and Russia fighting each other. After that, all bets are off.

Sanders had some poorly thought out plans that would cause major changes if implemented. I'm not sure he would get his own party to support some of that.

[Veho Nex]

The private email server is basically the same thing the Bush administration did. It becomes the situation of either prosecuting a lot of people or simply forcing that the practice is forbidden from now. Petraeus got two years’ probation plus a fine of $100,000 for a way more severe crime.

Is there anything substantial in Benghazi, outside poor judgement in retrospect and some early mail about not pinning it on islamist terrorists early on despite indication that it was true? The Republicans has demanded how many hearings and getting nothing substantial for how long now?

Hillary broke the law keeping (c) emails on her private server. She really messed up when she lied to everyone about it and as time has gone on more and more internal corruption has been brought to light. Watch her trial videos or when they are questioning lynch or comey. They all beat around direct questions. "Is it illegal to go 65 in a 55? Lynch: well you'd have to ask the highway patrolman." "Is it legal or illegal to provide an unauthorized person access to confidential material? Lynch: There may be statutes for that buuuuuttt..."

The whole thing was a farce. Watch Clinton's face when she is getting questioned. She doesn't care, she looks annoyed and bored about being there, she looks like someone who is just going through the motions but knew the outcome before it happened.

There's plenty of damage he could do and unlike Hillary, he wouldn't need to do a sudden 180 and lose the support of the people who voted for him or supported him.

But Hillary has done over night 180's several times already. Pro Iraq against Iraq, against gay marriage for gay marriage, this list goes on. At least Trump is telling us what he wants to do. I also believe there are enough people in this country that if Trump tried to gear us for Nuclear war or WW3 then we would see a new assassinated president. If Hillary on the other hand did her back room dealing I see our country being sold down the river before anyone even knows whats going on.

The fact that she's been extremely scrutinized and that there's not really more dirt than what you can expect from a high profile politician with a long career, might be a sign that there's no more dirt, rather than that she's a master manipulator. And by that time, if she is that high level master manipulator, she's certainly competent enough to be a good president.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-jill-abramson
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/fac...ponents/24196/

Have you watched her trials? If you havent just go watch them and stop reading biased news. Go directly to the source and actually come to your own conclusion rather than using propagandic pulp to give you a "clear" view on things. You honestly cannot trust anything written by a reporter. Integrity is a thing that died with the rise of Pulitzer and Hearst.

[Ironside]

Hillary broke the law keeping (c) emails on her private server. She really messed up when she lied to everyone about it and as time has gone on more and more internal corruption has been brought to light. Watch her trial videos or when they are questioning lynch or comey. They all beat around direct questions. "Is it illegal to go 65 in a 55? Lynch: well you'd have to ask the highway patrolman." "Is it legal or illegal to provide an unauthorized person access to confidential material? Lynch: There may be statutes for that buuuuuttt..."

The problem is that she did the same thing as the previous government did (Bush and Cheney) with Obama knowing about it. Thus, you'll end up either prosecuting plenty of top politicians or you don't push too hard here despite knowing that there's some grey zone parts. The evidence is that she used the private server for non-classified information and private information, with like a dozen mistakes after you discount the over classification rivalry. Not enough to go deeper.

The whole thing was a farce. Watch Clinton's face when she is getting questioned. She doesn't care, she looks annoyed and bored about being there, she looks like someone who is just going through the motions but knew the outcome before it happened.

Yes? A political pre-trial of that caliber is going to be hinting about the outcome long before it's done, as the political impact is going to be much larger than any punishment (we're talking about less than 2 year probation and a 100,000 fine).

But Hillary has done over night 180's several times already. Pro Iraq against Iraq, against gay marriage for gay marriage, this list goes on. At least Trump is telling us what he wants to do. I also believe there are enough people in this country that if Trump tried to gear us for Nuclear war or WW3 then we would see a new assassinated president. If Hillary on the other hand did her back room dealing I see our country being sold down the river before anyone even knows whats going on.

In a time span of decades. I mean Iraq, seriously? You'll never allowed to claim that you did a bad call ever? That's not really doing 180. She is a political pragmatist, who'll probably won't state her own opinion on something if she knows its quite unpopular at the time and can change her mind. But that also means that you know she won't push for some really unpopular stuff.

Also, if I'm a master planner with 40 years of hidden agenda and are owning most of the political structure of the country, why am I running for president in the first place? I already own the country.

Trump is going to attack some muslim country, probably just bomb it, to avoid doing Iraq II. He's a bully, has called the US army weak and wants to make America strong and respected (read feared, because he'll never get respect). He's toying with the idea of trade wars and protectionism, which will do havoc to the US economy. He's going to be doing some nice "wink" stuff when some Trumpist does a racist crime.
He's petty, so he's going to use his position to go after people/countries who has hurt him.
He'll probably stamp BLM as terrorists, like he's already doing with muslims , which is going to be hell (the core of BLM is peaceful and has mostly reasonable demands), as its how to signal that a peaceful solution is impossible...
That Russia thing is suspiciously good at sticking on him. Total denial doesn't work well when you have a record.

Have you watched her trials? If you havent just go watch them and stop reading biased news. Go directly to the source and actually come to your own conclusion rather than using propagandic pulp to give you a "clear" view on things. You honestly cannot trust anything written by a reporter. Integrity is a thing that died with the rise of Pulitzer and Hearst.

That gives an interesting question. How are you getting your news? I mean, you did consider Hillary to be a hidden evil long before the emails didn't you? Through some vague information osmosis without any big smoking guns...

[Papewaio]

Hillary broke the law keeping (c) emails on her private server. She really messed up when she lied to everyone about it and as time has gone on more and more internal corruption has been brought to light. Watch her trial videos or when they are questioning lynch or comey. They all beat around direct questions. "Is it illegal to go 65 in a 55? Lynch: well you'd have to ask the highway patrolman." "Is it legal or illegal to provide an unauthorized person access to confidential material? Lynch: There may be statutes for that buuuuuttt...".

I thought the law about certain classes of emails on private servers came after Hillary had finished. Also it is a bit nonsensical because it is quite possible that classified emails get routed through non government servers at some point.

[Hooahguy]

Trump disparaging the family of a fallen soldier might mark a new low in this campaign.

[Graphic]

I don't care about her email server, I don't care if she lied about it. I honestly don't care. The ironic aspect is that the entire democratic party infrastructure got hacked while they missed her server, probably because no one knew about it, including the Russians. When it was revealed that there were THREE out of 60,000 emails that had classified markings inside the body, without a classified header, this was ultimately revealed to be a fake controversy. Just another tool to try and destroy her career like the last 500 fake controversies that she was ultimately exonerated in.

I'm fairly confident, but not certain, that Clinton will win with a pretty comfortable electoral college margin. And I think she'll be a good president because she mirrors my own views more than any other politician around, let alone those running for president: more liberal than Obama on social issues but with a bit more forcefulness in foreign affairs. I'm voting for Clinton and not just against Trump.

I want the country to keep getting gayer and gayer and become a paradise of gay liberty, I want Obamacare to go further and insure the final 10% of uninsured and control costs, I want you to be able to prove your sanity to own a gun or at the very least set off alarm bells at the FBI when you buy an AR-15 if you've been investigated for terrorism before. Unlike Bernie Sanders (bless his heart), she's far more in tune with the issues the black community has with systemic racism and police brutality. It's not all the fault of the 1% and the billionaire class.

But I also want a slightly stronger backbone in regards to foreign policy. I feel like I'm alone on this in the internet these days, but no, I don't want to retreat from our endeavors in the middle east, Afghanistan, and elsewhere in the world. I want them to be more successful. The USA has a part to play in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, and Ukraine, and Clinton has the comfort with military force that Obama lacks in order to bring these conflicts to some kind of a conclusion. Retreating from these conflicts will create more death and danger, not less.

She will be as good as Obama was in terms of accomplishments, if not better. It just won't be that sexy because she has no charisma. But I don't need charisma. I don't need to be catered to to "earn" my vote like a special snowflake. I need a president that relatively represents my views. If that's a robot, a reptilian overlord, or a career politician with no panache, I could not care less. In other words, I'm a democrat, so I vote democrat. Every single democrat is automatically mostly compatible with my views, so there's no need to fuss or hissy fit about stupid details.

The next eight years will be great.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

...When it was revealed that there were THREE out of 60,000 emails that had classified markings inside the body, without a classified header, this was ultimately revealed to be a fake controversy....

One would have been sufficient to get my wife fired from her job and her company fined.

[a completely inoffensive name]

When it was revealed that there were THREE out of 60,000 emails that had classified markings inside the body, without a classified header, this was ultimately revealed to be a fake controversy.

Shill more.

@ 4 min 20 sec: 110 emails in 52 email chains determined to have classified information at the time. 8 of those chains had top secret information at the time, 36 chains with secret information at the time, 8 chains with confidential information ​at the time.

I want the country to keep getting gayer and gayer and become a paradise of gay liberty,

So do I, what a shame that Hillary couldn't be bothered to speak for gay marriage until 2013 when the polls told her to switch sides.

she's far more in tune with the issues the black community has with systemic racism and police brutality.

Right, I find that rich white women often find a deep understanding of the black community when their husbands pass Tough on Crime bills that imprison millions of young black men.

She will be as good as Obama was in terms of accomplishments

So she will get one big watered down bill passed in her first two years, then try to spend the next 6 years overriding congress with executive actions that get shot down by the Supreme Court?

[Greyblades]

I'll hold you to that.

Trump disparaging the family of a fallen soldier might mark a new low in this campaign.

Depressing really because a less kneejerk mind could have turned it around by pointing out that the soldier's death is partially because of the people who invited the family to the stage.

[Hooahguy]

Yeah but that line of attack is partially dulled since his running mate voted for it too.