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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    When his options are limited by both qualification and senate approval I think that turnover rate with drop sharply.
    So you are placing all your faith in the Senate then? That's gutsy.

    In my country 1 in 5 of our politicians think giving up nuclear weapons while everyone else keeps thiers is a good idea. I talked to a fellow recently who had come to the conclusion that, because the 2000 test detonations in remote locations over 65 years since 1945 hadnt made the world less habitable, all out nuclear war couldnt actually do more long term damage than a conventional war.
    That fellow sounds quite daft.


    It does not surprise me that trying to explain the multitude of complex reasons the United States of America generally doesn't nuke people who cannot fire back, in under an hour, resulted in trump repeating the question three times in confusion. I will become suitably worried if this such conversations become a habit.
    What? He is not a child nor does he have a learning disability that we know of. I've had classes in university which went three times as long where I had to comprehend just as difficult material as this and my classmates and I were fine. This shouldn't be an issue for a normal person. Plus a president needs to learn and comprehend information quickly so he can made effective and rational decisions about a situation. Its part of the job and he might not even have an hour. Carson had this same issue and it torpedoed him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    So you are placing all your faith in the Senate then? That's gutsy.
    Not so much gutsy, as an instinctive turn to anti-establishment politics without any need for evidence-based argument.

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    An early use of the phrase in British politics was in March 2012 by Scottish Labour MSP Iain Gray in criticizing the difference between Scottish National Party's claims and official statistics.[27] Scottish Labour leader Jim Murphy also described an undercurrent of post-truth politics in which people "cheerfully shot the messenger" when presented with facts that didn't support their viewpoint, seeing it among pro-independence campaigners in the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, Jeremy Corbyn supporters in the 2015 Labour leadership election, and Leave campaigners in the then-upcoming EU membership referendum

    2016 US presidential election, UK EU membership referendum, UK Labour leadership contest, Greyblades has the whole 2016 set.

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    A Trump or Hillary presidency would precisely continue the trend towards the decline of the power of the American chief executive to 19th-century levels. The US executive moves increasingly towards the style of 1980s Chinese party-consensus politics. Except with less consensus and more confusion.

    It might even be working out, too, if the legislature and the parties themselves hadn't in turn become so palsied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Not so much gutsy, as an instinctive turn to anti-establishment politics without any need for evidence-based argument.

    2016 US presidential election, UK EU membership referendum, UK Labour leadership contest, Greyblades has the whole 2016 set.
    You replied to a post where I used video evidence and court records to make my points... and 10 minutes later you're accusing me of not using evidence in this thread?
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