Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Zack]

Is the day really ending in a few hours, or will it be at the same time (8:30PM Central) that the phases have ended previously? Not sure if my countdown is messing up or if it is legit.

The countdown is correct, I noted the early end in the end of night update. Not sure when I will be available tonight.

[BSmith]

Ooooooooooooooookay then! Now that the Bonnie Crimson Situation has been thoroughly dealt with, Hows about taking one of your patented long multiquote posts and giving us a nice list of reads. There is plenty to work with. Even a partial list will do.

PS Oak is nice

I barely have the time to read through the thread once. I am certainly not able at present to go back through 1000+ posts and do detailed reads. General reads are as follows:

Al Sipsclar – not many posts. Mostly voting for me. Not really out of character. Null.
Askthepizzaguy – Pizza is Pizza.
atheotes – no real read
BSmith – me
Choxorn – low poster. Not out of norm. has people vouching for him, slight town on that alone.
CrimsonFox – we all know how I feel about you.
Cuthillius – I can see the pocket theory. He has done it to me as well, hinting that he sees me as town. Since Pizza did the “pocket denied” post a while back I have been more sensitive to his praise of others. Could be attempting to pocket. Could just be calling town as he sees it. Maybe slight scum.
Dp101 – all over the place. Hard for me to see him as scum with what and how he has been posting.
GeneralHankerchief – no real read one way or the other.
johnhughthom – JHT is being JHT – no real read
Montmorency – Don’t see the scumminess here. Tend to agree with Pizza (I think?) that he is more engaged with this game. Hard to read him usually. Not inclined to think he is scum.
Murska – no real read
Newyn – interesting soft claim he made. Combined with his support of Choxy. I want him to answer my question on if he is a travelling man.
novice – no real read
Pelican – tone and content feels town to me.
Riedquat – no real read
seireikhaan – probably town based on his tone, but he is also hard to read
Stork – no real read
Visor – Visor is visor. He could go either way, honestly
Winston Hughes – Same as with visor. Could go either way here too.

So there you have it. Not much in the way of anything solid tbh.

[BSmith]

The countdown is correct, I noted the early end in the end of night update. Not sure when I will be available tonight.

Got it. Thanks. Sorry I missed that in the update!

[CrimsonFox]

good start

and i don't expect you to read the whole thread twice at all.

ISOs help by only reading one person.

So your posts where you say visor is visor and pizza is pizza. tell me about those two
you seem to be saying that this is how they act normally i guess?

if that's true what is it about them that makes you feel that they are town if indeed that's what you think they are

[Zack]

Official Tally

3 novice (Visor, Cuthillius, atheotes)
3 Riedquat (Askthepizzaguy, Dp101, Montmorency)

2 CrimsonFox (Winston Hughes, khaan)

1 BSmith (novice)
1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 Cuthillius (Stork)
1 Dp101 (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (john)

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4 Not Voting: @BSmith, @Choxorn, @Newyn, @Riedquat

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Voting ends in:

[Dp101]

I like pizza so far.

[CrimsonFox]

Not a vig, roleblocked, holstered, hit a bulletproof, the list goes on.

Why people want to make a permanent decision based off of one data point, when the answers to the above would become clearer with at least an additional data point, I don't know.

This is like lynching the claimed cop or the counterclaiming cop on day one. It's ridiculous. That situation resolves itself when we have spare lynches.

initial thoughts are that one or more of those people are wolves just throwing shade, the rest inexperienced i guess?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Eating while working on this game. Slow.

this vote seems disingenous

i have been hard defending monty all phase and yet you switch from monty to me?

So if you don't think your read on monty holds water, why am I a suspect?

Unsure about this post. This is not a straight A --> B connection.

Why are you using his changing of position regarding Monty as a factor in the question of asking why you're a suspect?

I don't think the two things connect.

[CrimsonFox]

I like pizza so far.

me too. not sure if i've played with him before. maybe a turbo?
or a big mash where i didn't know he was there?

but he is giving reads and hunting at least

[Dp101]

initial thoughts are that one or more of those people are wolves just throwing shade, the rest inexperienced i guess?

I don't buy inexperienced, the people questioning your claim appear to know what they are doing.

[CrimsonFox]

I don't buy inexperienced, the people questioning your claim appear to know what they are doing.

yet claiming they "haven't read the thread" or "they have no opinions" or "could go either way"

[Montmorency]

Sure, you like him now, but soon he'll be cold and stale, but you'll still want another slice.

"Why do I want it so badly?", you will ask yourself. And that's when he gets you.

[CrimsonFox]

I don't buy inexperienced, the people questioning your claim appear to know what they are doing.

i mean obvious wolves are obvious wolves sometimes but i'd not think multiple wolves would be so obvious as to do that.
i guess instead of inexperience i could say "just plain wrong"

[Dp101]

yet claiming they "haven't read the thread" or "they have no opinions" or "could go either way"

I meant earlier. I see what you mean though, some of them do appear to be kind of inexperienced.

[Stork]

oh wow

eod is in an hour and a bit?

its already almost 4am

[CrimsonFox]

i mean theorizing that i could have been a a wolf therefore the claim is fine, but yeah tunneling on that is indeed silly.
gotta suss out the difference

[Stork]

not gonna make it another hour

Vote: Bsmith

[Askthepizzaguy]

I just had a crazy idea. Why don't you lynch me? You will most likely get more information out of it than if we kept arguing in circles about voting blocks and such, and I am vanilla so I will still be able to post. We do lose one lynch day out of it, but we are frankly probably going to lynch a villager anyway, and at least this way we know we won't lose a poster. I'm pretty sure this idea is insane levels of crackpot, but I feel like doing something kind of odd. Thoughts?

Appreciate the gesture/ feeling behind the idea but the best move is always lynching the scum that scums don't want to lynch, rather than a townie or one the scums could gambit with. You're the former.

[BSmith]

good start

and i don't expect you to read the whole thread twice at all.

ISOs help by only reading one person.

So your posts where you say visor is visor and pizza is pizza. tell me about those two
you seem to be saying that this is how they act normally i guess?

if that's true what is it about them that makes you feel that they are town if indeed that's what you think they are

Visor and Pizza are both 1 percenters, in that they are in the top tier of mafia players. Either one is extremely capable of coming across town as mafia or vice versa.

I can usually suss Visor out in a networking game where we have a lot of one-on-one conversations. This isn’t one of those games. Pizza is almost always an enigma.

To be clear here I am not saying that I feel they are town. I am saying that I am not feeling them at all one way or the other, and at this stage in the game with what both have posted it would be dangerous for anyone else to do so either.

ISOs are only so helpful, as you are at danger of reading things out of context and misinterpreting things. I do find them useful for finding a specific post that you remember a player making and want to go back and review.

[Zack]

I could postpone eod until later tonight (around the d1 time or later), but I probably won't be around to do tallies and stuff, and the update might be late.

[Stork]

I could postpone eod until later tonight (around the d1 time or later), but I probably won't be around to do tallies and stuff, and the update might be late.

don't postpone it on account of me

[Stork]

bsmith seems to care more about giving non-reads than reads

[Montmorency]

Pizza, when will you demand that someone scan/track you? Is that passe?

[Dp101]

Pizza, when will you demand that someone scan/track you? Is that passe?

What, does he do that often?

[Zack]

don't postpone it on account of me

well you weren't the first person to remark on the early eod

people can PM me their preference for whether to keep it at 3pm edt when I will be around to post tallies and stuff, or have it at 10 or 11 pm edt when I might not be around and the update could be late.

[CrimsonFox]

Sure, you like him now, but soon he'll be cold and stale, but you'll still want another slice.

"Why do I want it so badly?", you will ask yourself. And that's when he gets you.

meh...let's just go donate blood.

"Who's Blood?"

eh...some guy,,,

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, when will you demand that someone scan/track you? Is that passe?

If I decided on such an action it would probably be a spreadsheet solve game where burning a tracker or watcher action on me wasn't a large investment.

Feel free but you want to catch scum blocker, killer, tracker, etc.

[Montmorency]

What, does he do that often?

He can be somewhat boastful, saying that scanners should waste a scan on him to discover that he is pure town and they are totally wrong. Some of you aren't familiar with Pizza, so let me just say that there can be many layers to every single thing he posts. Just don't get too tangled up over him, or you're doomed.

Or hey, I'll be interested to see how your methods measure up against him, who claims to be unreadable.

(Don't take this as condescension, Pizza, I say it with all respect for your skills).

[Askthepizzaguy]

well you weren't the first person to remark on the early eod

people can PM me their preference for whether to keep it at 3pm edt when I will be around to post tallies and stuff, or have it at 10 or 11 pm edt when I might not be around and the update could be late.

If end of round is com
ing sooner rather than later, how many hours will remain in the round?

It might actually be possible for me to be here at EOD if it weren't at 2 or 3am Norwegian time. But I'm the oddball out so I recommend sticking with the standard time or going with the vast majority.

Phantom new paragraph bug strikes again. Tired of correcting it several times while typing a post.

[Askthepizzaguy]

He can be somewhat boastful, saying that scanners should waste a scan on him to discover that he is pure town and they are totally wrong. Some of you aren't familiar with Pizza, so let me just say that there can be many layers to every single thing he posts. Just don't get too tangled up over him, or you're doomed.

Or hey, I'll be interested to see how your methods measure up against him, who claims to be unreadable.

(Don't take this as condescension, Pizza, I say it with all respect for your skills).

If I'm asking to be scanned, I have a perfect plan for how to deal with it if I'm scum.

I should do this as town rarely.