Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Stork]

Was a common practice on this site at one time. There are several strategies for dealing with that. Dead vanilla towns have no vote and know nothing particularly special. And the mafia can play against their minds just as well as they can play against live townies. It's easier for the scums to blend in when everyone starts sheeping the confirmed townies. Just like when they sheep masons or a cop. I've been on scum teams who have defeated a couple dozen towns who have tried such brute methods. When the town unites too much, it's anti-analysis for vote purposes. And when the town leaders no nothing, that's a recipe for an easier sweep, even.

I remember a truly terrible game I played way back when called the Chicago Soiree...

Oh, wait... did you say strong player? Because my strong player credentials go out the window when you analyze such games by me.

TBH my town game is middling these days.

Meh, could be a style thing but I think if the wolves take the risk of not role hunting on purpose to remove a strong player (read: particularly in read quality and effort), the punishment is that they don't kill a pr, they don't need to be punished twice.

I understand why the roles can't talk after death but it just seems a bit volatile in terms of certain things being at odds with player styles.

[Stork]

Plus how do you enjoy dead chat if you have to post in the game thread, that's no fun.

[El Barto]

We *didn't* get Dead Chat. Only the power roles did.

Well, would have, if Zack had remembered to set up the QT and give players a link to it.

[Stork]

We *didn't* get Dead Chat. Only the power roles did.

Well, would have, if Zack had remembered to set up the QT and give players a link to it.

I opened it a few days ago, saw someone call pizza town and then closed it before my brain exploded.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I opened it a few days ago, saw someone call pizza town and then closed it before my brain exploded.

LOL

I want this link plz

[El Barto]

https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/xnthqUHLKXu

[El Barto]

*waits for atpg to conjure up an über-answer to all 31 posts in the dead QT.

[Askthepizzaguy]

*waits for atpg to conjure up an über-answer to all 31 posts in the dead QT.

Brain slug made me do it.

[CrimsonFox]

"This is Good Pelican"
"No way this is bad pelican"
"nah pelican isn't a wolf"

---Things dumb people say

[CrimsonFox]

i really did hate pelican's posting but i probably would not have shot at him.
I was obv looking at Hanky as someone I thought was wolfy

figured pizza would get lynched but i didn't have wolfy feelings for him.


the inactives would have been targets too just because i am so sick of inactives coasting in games/not helping that killing them seemed a good idea.

modkilling john without getting a replacement....boooo...

[CrimsonFox]

but grats pizza....being THE PERSON up for lynch EVERY DAY and talking your way out is pretty cool

[CrimsonFox]

now i realize what happened...every day i saw the statement "today's the day we lynch pizza"

then none of novice, mursska, or atheotes fought their own lynch :(

[Askthepizzaguy]

"today's the day we're going to lynch the piiiiiiiizza"

[Askthepizzaguy]

Monty posting his way to town reads everywhere was pretty impressive, btw. I haven't seen Monty as scum and WIMming it up before, as he did this game.

[CrimsonFox]

now i realize what happened...every day i saw the statement "today's the day we lynch pizza"

then none of novice, mursska, or atheotes fought their own lynch :(

actually i'm sorry for this post. what's done is done.

i'm just an asshole

i'm the asshole

[Askthepizzaguy]

IIRC the cop was added just to give townies a fighting chance in those games, because we sucked out loud without one.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Meh, could be a style thing but I think if the wolves take the risk of not role hunting on purpose to remove a strong player (read: particularly in read quality and effort), the punishment is that they don't kill a pr, they don't need to be punished twice.

I understand why the roles can't talk after death but it just seems a bit volatile in terms of certain things being at odds with player styles.

Well, to be fair, in those games there were no power roles. Maybe a single cop.

That's how you got balance. Also the scum team was smaller, so you'd have more mislynches in play for the scums and more places to hide early, and less chance of any individual townie getting successful with their votes.

Scum won more than half of those games.

How you design the game is how it's balanced. More vanilla townies means more mislynches which is a net positive for the scum team. Low percentage chance of being correct early means tons of mislynches and people to blame for the town's failures.

Know nothing vanilla townies add to the scum's power, unless they, as an individual player, are both good enough at scum hunting and charismatic enough to change minds, and can single-handedly turn the tide of a bad game.

Those setups separate the adults from the kids, because towning is seriously difficult there with so many voices drowning you out, almost all of them dead wrong to boot.

[Stork]

Well, to be fair, in those games there were no power roles. Maybe a single cop.

That's how you got balance. Also the scum team was smaller, so you'd have more mislynches in play for the scums and more places to hide early, and less chance of any individual townie getting successful with their votes.

Scum won more than half of those games.

How you design the game is how it's balanced. More vanilla townies means more mislynches which is a net positive for the scum team. Low percentage chance of being correct early means tons of mislynches and people to blame for the town's failures.

Know nothing vanilla townies add to the scum's power, unless they, as an individual player, are both good enough at scum hunting and charismatic enough to change minds, and can single-handedly turn the tide of a bad game.

Those setups separate the adults from the kids, because towning is seriously difficult there with so many voices drowning you out, almost all of them dead wrong to boot.

I think I have to fundamentally disagree with this, even a bad townie will present something (either through rightness or wrongness) that will illuminate things to the live players I would think compared with simply no information from them.

Sure the scum can manipulate it, but I think its probably just as easy to not have to worry about it and focus elsewhere if given the choice.

I think if given the option on night 0, scum would choose VTs cannot talk after death over can every time.

I agree with you wrt having more vanilla townies in the game though, each vanilla town you add, especially where the slot is filled with (new/inexperienced/wrong/obnoxious/whatever anti-villa trait you can think of) players, it only gives the scum a greater chance to kill the players that aren't like that during the night after their mislynches.