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Montmorency 21:35 22/12/16
Originally Posted by Zack:
how hard is it to take a picture of your toilet
Were you sitting on that or did it strike you all of a sudden.

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Zack 21:41 22/12/16
Originally Posted by Montmorency:
Were you sitting on that or did it strike you all of a sudden.
i usually sit on my toilet but sometimes i do get struck by poseidon's kiss

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Dp101 21:46 22/12/16
Zack stop spamming or I will vote you.

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Zack 21:57 22/12/16
no you won't lol

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Zack 21:59 22/12/16
i've also done a lot more than you have, which is basically just 95% complaining

bite me

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Winston Hughes 22:36 22/12/16
Originally Posted by Zack:
red dwarf would be a better example
Looking back, I actually gave some reads lists in that one, so...

Scum

A problem with both this and the Demon Council game, though, is that there were multiple scum teams, meaning that I didn't have to fake the scumhunting (indeed, mistaking Visor for a bussing scumbag was what won me the DC game).

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Montmorency 23:07 22/12/16
Originally Posted by :
problem with...this...game
Originally Posted by :
multiple scum teams
What???

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
?


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Jabbz 23:23 22/12/16
Only up to post 1750, but wanted to drop a line. I think I pinched a nerve in my neck yesterday, so I'm alternating between great paina nd being drugged to the gills. If my posts seem.... odd, my apologies in advance.

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Winston Hughes 23:26 22/12/16
Originally Posted by Montmorency:
What???

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
?
The game in the link.

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Zack 23:27 22/12/16
i thought he was saying he likes multiball

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Jabbz 23:29 22/12/16
Originally Posted by Visor:
OoG: After D1, the problem with a game setup like this has become evident. Only certain people will ever get power, and most people are consigned to do nothing for a lot of the game.
I keep seeing posts like this, and while I understand where they are coming from, I think they overlook the amount of power that people wield through their rhetoric. Sure, your district rep doesn't have to vote where you do, but you do influence how they vote through the arguments you make. Just because you can't put the noose around someone's neck yourself doesn't mean you can't tie the rope.

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Winston Hughes 23:29 22/12/16
Originally Posted by Zack:
i thought he was saying he likes multiball
I don't know what that is, but it sounds disgusting.

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Montmorency 23:38 22/12/16
Originally Posted by Jabbz:
I keep seeing posts like this, and while I understand where they are coming from, I think they overlook the amount of power that people wield through their rhetoric. Sure, your district rep doesn't have to vote where you do, but you do influence how they vote through the arguments you make. Just because you can't put the noose around someone's neck yourself doesn't mean you can't tie the rope.
Yes, I said that. We got it. This isn't about mechanics pertinent to balance. Visor is raising the point that rhetoric without effective votes is less fun for individual players.

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El Barto 23:54 22/12/16
Originally Posted by Csargo:
Here have this Vote:Winston He seems alright...

I'm not even going to bother voting to lynch someone, because that seems pointless. The shear volume of posting would make that irresponsible of me anyways. i.e. I can't keep up.
I… I can't make sense of most of what people say. I read the first hundred unread posts out of >400, then my brain again started to feel as if if were melting into cheese. So any analysis comes from those posts plus one in which Cass_ used the mention feature.
Originally Posted by dicetosser1:
link me so we can correct the knuckleheads.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threa...#post-14606841
Originally Posted by dicetosser1:
dont quite get what ure meaning here
I OMGUS a lot, especially in the earlier stages of the game. When vanilla town. (if you want to treat that as a hardclaim, by all means).
Originally Posted by dicetosser1:
if ure Tak then apparently I have ages ago. But heres the thing. Ive seen someone claim a scum role with their first post. It took me 4 days to get that SOB lynched but I was right. Since then my policy is simple. You claim scum i vote you. If you can convince me ure town fine but until you do that im not going to just take you at ure word. Thats just asking to let myself get sucked in.
It wasn't my first post and it was obviously a joke post addressed at Winston. And yes, my username on CFC is Takhisis.
Originally Posted by Visor:
Cuth I want you to lay it out why I am a wolf. Use my posts and explain how they are wolfy and why and all that jazz and what I'm trying to aim at with them.
He might seriously be a power role but I doubt it.
Originally Posted by Cass_:
Pulling this out of the Monty ISO.

@El Barto - If you're not Scum, you're welcome. But if you're Town, why would you find the move odd?

Aorn everything here apart from the bold feels like it was put there as filler.

And the bold itself feels scummy as pocket-lint and possible WIFOMY linkage so FTR I didn't vote to save your life. I voted because between the two of you, Choxorn was more certainly scum.
I don't find the move odd. I find the procedure itself odd. Town strikes gold, yes, but someone being very scummy could not be lynched because the chancellor and/or representatives of the day felt otherwise. We have a gerrymanderable lynch vote.

btw if you hadn't dropped that mention I would have skipped straight through your post, as I said above.

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Cuthillius 00:07 23/12/16
i kinda like that el barto post, maybe

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Winston Hughes 00:29 23/12/16
Yeah, there will need to be more, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

unvote

These guys on the other hand...

Summary of Riedquat's meaningful contributions thus far:

*Votes Visor for all three categories on D1.
*Votes Winston for the D2 election + suspects Visor.
*Orders his town reads within district 2: Winston, Monstr, Visor, El Barto.
*Acknowledges his own and others' scumminess by reason of inactivity.

Summary of BSmith's meaningful contributions thus far:

*D1 votes Winston for rep, Visor for chancellor, and Al Sips for lynch, claiming he hasn't read the thread yet.
*Changes rep vote to Visor to test his ability claim.
*D2 votes Winston for rep + calls Visor and Winston townie + votes Cuth for lynch on the Sooh thing + says Monty is 'making good cases' + various other obvious reads

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Winston Hughes 00:36 23/12/16
BSmith's read of Monty is the closest thing to a deviation from the path of least resistance in those two ISOs.

But I'm not sure if that makes him more scummy than Riedquat or less.

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El Barto 00:41 23/12/16
Originally Posted by Cuthillius:
i kinda like that el barto post, maybe
Is this a response to how I was saying I was willing to vote: Visor?

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Winston Hughes 00:58 23/12/16
From the other end of the scale, Zack looks scummy to me.

I was going to say Monstr as well, but he comes out much better on review. There's the chatty stuff, but there's also lot of pushes and opinions, and a sense of actually trying to understand.

With Zack it feels more like he's trying to bury any read attempt in a pile of spam.

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Winston Hughes 01:39 23/12/16
There's also the bad boy attitude, which Zack tends to ham up as scum in my experience.

In the row with Jabbz yesterday, I didn't feel like he was really trying to understand this player he'd never met before. It was more like he was just taking an opportunity to get in someone's face.

Today I feel like he's been running interference, discouraging the town core in his interactions with them, and making it harder for the inactives to keep up by waging his post war with Monstr.

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Zack 01:40 23/12/16
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes:
From the other end of the scale, Zack looks scummy to me.

I was going to say Monstr as well, but he comes out much better on review. There's the chatty stuff, but there's also lot of pushes and opinions, and a sense of actually trying to understand.

With Zack it feels more like he's trying to bury any read attempt in a pile of spam.
well that's just, wrong

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Zack 01:41 23/12/16
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes:
There's also the bad boy attitude, which Zack tends to ham up as scum in my experience.

In the row with Jabbz yesterday, I didn't feel like he was really trying to understand this player he'd never met before. It was more like he was just taking an opportunity to get in someone's face.

Today I feel like he's been running interference, discouraging the town core in his interactions with them, and making it harder for the inactives to keep up by waging his post war with Monstr.
well i don't think you've ever townread me in the last few years unless you were a wolf so glad we got here

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Winston Hughes 01:55 23/12/16
Originally Posted by Zack:
well that's just, wrong
The Comma of Guilt?

Originally Posted by Zack:
well i don't think you've ever townread me in the last few years unless you were a wolf so glad we got here
As I recall, I correctly townread you D1 in the cross-community game at MU.

But what is this response anyway? You think it's townie than I'm scumreading you based on meta BS?

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Zack 02:01 23/12/16
I thought it was obviously sarcastic

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Winston Hughes 02:02 23/12/16
Originally Posted by Zack:
I thought it was obviously sarcastic
Doesn't work on the internet, apparently.

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Winston Hughes 02:02 23/12/16
Thing is, for all your love of shitposting, I know you like to win.

And this game I can follow your actions as more plausibly win-oriented if you're scum than if you're town.

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Riedquat 02:06 23/12/16
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes:
BSmith's read of Monty is the closest thing to a deviation from the path of least resistance in those two ISOs.

But I'm not sure if that makes him more scummy than Riedquat or less.
Less!

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Winston Hughes 02:08 23/12/16
Originally Posted by Riedquat:
Less!
More.

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Zack 02:10 23/12/16
I literally only joined this game so my bet with gh could be resolved quicker, because it's more fun that way than if it's in some random game in 2 months when we've all but forgotten it anyways

and now my only window at being able to meaningfully affect the game slipped away with the way elections and d1 shaped out

and in any case i don't see how I'm not playing for a win as town anyways, i'm not even sure what i'd have to do to fit that arbitrary requirement in your mind. I did zero to save choxorn yesterday, so lol at the accusation of my play making more sense driving for a scum win.

saying I haven't made pushes and opinions doesn't make it true

if you're expecting something like the mtgs game on mu you should read the last few town games i've been in to see that's not happening

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Riedquat 02:24 23/12/16
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes:
More.
Why? Are you sure we are talking about BSmith and not me?

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