Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Zack]

Zack, assuming Monstr was just reaction testing and there's no role or result behind his claim, then please work with me on Fenn-Winston-Visor.

You're easily convinced it was fake.

[Montmorency]

You're easily convinced it was fake.

Why do you think I'm convinced?

[Zack]

Why would you ask me to work with you on nailing your scumteam if you thought I was a peeked wolf?

[Montmorency]

Why would you ask me to work with you on nailing your scumteam if you thought I was a peeked wolf?

I said, in case you aren't one. Also, why did you assume I was convinced that you were peeked in the first place? That would have been the very question raised in most of my posts from SoD...

[Zack]

Only so much can be done in an hour. Here's what I've got:

I've ISO'd Fenn and Fenn feels forced but too low-impact to be a good idea to lynch today.

Looking at Visor's reaction to Cuth being town after flip reminds me a little of a reaction he had in another scum game, and that is not sitting well with me. The fact that he claims to have had such success in his early reads (about 50/50 rn?) while still being alive bugs me a bit.

You've got a nice focus on me... and only me... is anyone else here EOD that is worth looking into? Where are the votes going and are there any you don't trust?

I don't know how to deal with my teammate Fenn. I think I will awkwardly shade him, claim he shouldn't be lynched for an irrelevant reason, then push a villager on something flimsy I sort of remember. Also remember to inform the organism engaging me in conversation to shift his attention elsewhere. Beep.

[Zack]

I said, in case you aren't one. Also, why did you assume I was convinced that you were peeked in the first place? That would have been the very question raised in most of my posts from SoD...

I didn't say that. I said easily convinced it was fake. You know, the opposite.

[Schema]

These are misleading descriptions, and the associated actions by atheotes are towny, to say nothing of the meta for his tone.

If there is one thing that hurts atheotes, it's that he hasn't been as active as he was D1.

*glances at Schema*

How are these actions townie?

As far as meta for his tone, I have no meta on players here with the exception of a bit on Visor, and that's not even a meta I feel comfortable utilizing from here forward. I need to interact with him directly a bit more.

I'm not forming a strong impression on atheotes so much as asking you to explain to me why YOU think atheotes is the strongest townie here. Convince me. Right now, with the players that are left, I don't much trust anyone except maybe Monstr. And I'm trying not to hold onto that one too tightly. (I don't know whether he was being serious about his peek on Zack and would like to see what he says whenever he shows up again. I'm ignoring Zack for now because what's the point, he's a man with a mission lol.)

Also, if you have difficulty with my drop off in posting, it was all centered around rl and I don't know what else to say.

Who are you looking at closest for lynch today?

[Zack]

I don't know. I'd say Visor over Fenn but if Fenn is the best you can do after this game day then I'll trust your read, while also reading through your previous game day.

[Schema]

I don't know how to deal with my teammate Fenn. I think I will awkwardly shade him, claim he shouldn't be lynched for an irrelevant reason, then push a villager on something flimsy I sort of remember. Also remember to inform the organism engaging me in conversation to shift his attention elsewhere. Beep.

Fenn is tonally awkward, but as I said, coming in and hard reading me town as a wolf is utterly ridiculous. There was no reason to do that, to come in that strong and that hard, with a case for my towniness if we are wolf buddies. Completely foolish.

Fenn as a wolf teamed with someone else? Still can't see it. And apparently Cass couldn't either since she ended up lynching Al.

[Schema]

Yes, I'm townreading Fenn. You do you what you need to.

[Zack]

And I'm trying not to hold onto that one too tightly. (I don't know whether he was being serious about his peek on Zack and would like to see what he says whenever he shows up again.

We'll see what Monstr offers and doesn't offer. But I believe his claim.

[Zack]

Fenn is tonally awkward, but as I said, coming in and hard reading me town as a wolf is utterly ridiculous. There was no reason to do that, to come in that strong and that hard, with a case for my towniness if we are wolf buddies. Completely foolish.

Fenn as a wolf teamed with someone else? Still can't see it. And apparently Cass couldn't either since she ended up lynching Al.

That's not what you said at EOD. You said he was "forced" but didn't want to lynch him because he was "so low-impact" (?). Then you told Cass you'd be okay if she lynched him. Now he's a strong townread, because he townread you? Ok.

What's even the point of the Cass comment? Al was a villager.

[Zack]

I think Schema's EOD yesterday was pushing an agenda of protecting her team and really underwhelming from a solving standpoint.

[Schema]

That's not what you said at EOD. You said he was "forced" but didn't want to lynch him because he was "so low-impact" (?). Then you told Cass you'd be okay if she lynched him. Now he's a strong townread, because he townread you? Ok.

What's even the point of the Cass comment? Al was a villager.

I think everyone up for lynch yesterday was a villager.

And I also said this:

Yeah, but this almost feels lolwolfy if it's wolfy. I mean it all revolves around me. Why focus on me? I don't get that. I see all this and think, someone's just jumped into the game midway and is grabbing for impressions.

The people thus far who have given me hard town reads have been town. I'm going to stick with being okay with those people today, and hope that Fenn isn't a wolf that slips through the cracks.

I can have more than one thought on a player. Fenn felt tonally off, and low-impact on the game meant because Fenn had only posted so much.

Your tunnels have all led nowhere, Zack, and what's more, you're grabbing at certain posts and not taking into account others just a few before. Tell me who else is up for evaluation today besides me and Fenn.

[Zack]

Define everyone up for lynch.

You strongly townread me until I voiced suspicion of you. You're going to have to do better than that. To me it looks like you changed that read because it became inconvenient.

As for the implication that I'm cherry-picking quotes out of context, I highly encourage everyone to read the context thoroughly. It doesn't make it look any better.

[Schema]

Yeah Fenn is fine to die

Can you break down your EOD regarding Fenn for me? You had Fenn as 85% villager and then came back and said Fenn was fine to die. Why the change?

[Montmorency]

How are these actions townie?

As far as meta for his tone, I have no meta on players here with the exception of a bit on Visor, and that's not even a meta I feel comfortable utilizing from here forward. I need to interact with him directly a bit more.

I'm not forming a strong impression on atheotes so much as asking you to explain to me why YOU think atheotes is the strongest townie here. Convince me. Right now, with the players that are left, I don't much trust anyone except maybe Monstr. And I'm trying not to hold onto that one too tightly. (I don't know whether he was being serious about his peek on Zack and would like to see what he says whenever he shows up again. I'm ignoring Zack for now because what's the point, he's a man with a mission lol.)

Also, if you have difficulty with my drop off in posting, it was all centered around rl and I don't know what else to say.

Who are you looking at closest for lynch today?

1. Early adopter of Choxorn lynch - and pushed it even when he had no impact on the outcome (and wasn't even in Renata's district).
2. Always one of the top voices calling for Barto's lynch.
3. Took personal responsibility for Barto lynch, when Cass might just have chosen otherwise.


Zack, Schema concluded at the end of her Fenn content that based on his townread of her she will trust him, so she had that on writing. Even if it's not great.

[Schema]

Define everyone up for lynch.

Fenn, me, Al. I suspect we were all town. And I think coming in with heightened suspicion on me and Fenn is convenient considering we were the possible other lynches available and people may be inclined to come in thinking it was villager-wolf lynch instead of all villager.

You strongly townread me until I voiced suspicion of you. You're going to have to do better than that. To me it looks like you changed that read because it became inconvenient.

As for the implication that I'm cherry-picking quotes out of context, I highly encourage everyone to read the context thoroughly. It doesn't make it look any better.

It is inconvenient, as you're trying to lynch a townie. But I digress.

[Zack]

1. Early adopter of Choxorn lynch - and pushed it even when he had no impact on the outcome (and wasn't even in Renata's district).
2. Always one of the top voices calling for Barto's lynch.
3. Took personal responsibility for Barto lynch, when Cass might just have chosen otherwise.


Zack, Schema concluded at the end of her Fenn content that based on his townread of her she will trust him, so she had that on writing. Even if it's not great.

Three minutes to deadline, she told Cass she was fine with her lynching Fenn.

[Zack]

Fenn, me, Al. I suspect we were all town. And I think coming in with heightened suspicion on me and Fenn is convenient considering we were the possible other lynches available and people may be inclined to come in thinking it was villager-wolf lynch instead of all villager.



It is inconvenient, as you're trying to lynch a townie. But I digress.

I said at EOD that my preference was Schema/Fenn > Al Sips. I didn't agree with Cass's choice to condemn Al, and he flipped villager. What the hell else would you expect me to think coming in today?

[Montmorency]

Three minutes to deadline, she told Cass she was fine with her lynching Fenn.

She said she trusted Cass if she chose Fenn, in a manner reminiscent of Monstr giving his opinion on Bart-Cuth at EoD2.

Right now, who would easily vote Schema?

Riedquat, Zack, atheotes, Visor, Winston (?).

Who would vote with me on Winston or Visor?

Schema, dice...


It's hard to believe Schema is scum with that kind of spread. Fenn may be the only shot open today.

[Schema]

1. Early adopter of Choxorn lynch - and pushed it even when he had no impact on the outcome (and wasn't even in Renata's district).
2. Always one of the top voices calling for Barto's lynch.
3. Took personal responsibility for Barto lynch, when Cass might just have chosen otherwise.

Thanks. I missed El Barto lynch obv. Let's keep atheotes around, then. Not sure he'll get a chancellor vote from me right this second but I won't throw the idea out.

[Zack]

She said she trusted Cass if she chose Fenn, in a manner reminiscent of Monstr giving his opinion on Bart-Cuth at EoD2.

Right now, who would easily vote Schema?

Riedquat, Zack, atheotes, Visor, Winston (?).

Who would vote with me on Winston or Visor?

Schema, dice...


It's hard to believe Schema is scum with that kind of spread. Fenn may be the only shot open today.

Huh? It's not like any of the nightkills were pushing Winston or Visor over Schema.

[Zack]

The opposite if anything.

[Schema]

I said at EOD that my preference was Schema/Fenn > Al Sips. I didn't agree with Cass's choice to condemn Al, and he flipped villager. What the hell else would you expect me to think coming in today?

I think you are misrepresenting your EOD as protective/townreading of Al when really it was just picking one player over another. You didn't voice any disapproval of the Al Sipslar votes toward those actually voting him, like Monstr and Visor. So why am I now where you direct your attention? Why not look at those who actually cast the vote on Al in the first place?

[Schema]

She said she trusted Cass if she chose Fenn, in a manner reminiscent of Monstr giving his opinion on Bart-Cuth at EoD2.

Right now, who would easily vote Schema?

Riedquat, Zack, atheotes, Visor, Winston (?).

Who would vote with me on Winston or Visor?

Schema, dice...


It's hard to believe Schema is scum with that kind of spread. Fenn may be the only shot open today.

I just saw Fenn came in after I did end of last game day and made a comment about my late arrival. I mean, is it that easy? Can it be? Bleh.

I need a break and some food, see y'all later. Want to see what other players have to say between now and then anyway.

[dicetosser1]

She said she trusted Cass if she chose Fenn, in a manner reminiscent of Monstr giving his opinion on Bart-Cuth at EoD2.

Right now, who would easily vote Schema?

Riedquat, Zack, atheotes, Visor, Winston (?).

Who would vote with me on Winston or Visor?

Schema, dice...


It's hard to believe Schema is scum with that kind of spread. Fenn may be the only shot open today.

im reading schema town as there are a few times since day break that I have myndmelded with what shes saying.

my lynch pool is visor monty zack.

@Monstrbro do you have any other peeks so we can narrow the pool??


vote zack

[Schema]

im reading schema town as there are a few times since day break that I have myndmelded with what shes saying.

my lynch pool is visor monty zack.

@Monstrbro do you have any other peeks so we can narrow the pool??


vote zack

Why Monty? Monty is the one who made the above post breaking down the spread. He's looking at the logic of the votes and notes it could be clearing for me. Do you think a scum Monty would point that out?

[Zack]

I think you are misrepresenting your EOD as protective/townreading of Al when really it was just picking one player over another. You didn't voice any disapproval of the Al Sipslar votes toward those actually voting him, like Monstr and Visor. So why am I now where you direct your attention? Why not look at those who actually cast the vote on Al in the first place?

That is not what I am saying or presenting. I never said I was townreading him, I am saying that of the three people up for lynch, I had a clear preference for the two who did not get lynched and the third guy flipped villager. So it's silly of you to accuse me of swooping in to score an easy lynch, when in fact it's a perfectly logical progression. Why would I suddenly reverse my reads there?

[Montmorency]

Huh? It's not like any of the nightkills were pushing Winston or Visor over Schema.

What does that have to do with it? Unless you're trying to rule out Visor and Winston as suspects?

For the record:

Jabbz had Schema as scum, Fenn as questionable, VIsor and Winston as null.
BSmith was null on Fenn and Schema. In late D3, he said his reads list was the same as what he posted the other day, but somehow I haven't been able to find a reads list corresponding to that statement.
Cass was becoming suspicious of Visor and Winston, more so the former. Shaded Schema a bit for dropping off, but not to the extent with which she was voicing active discomfort with Visor and Winston. Indeed, Cass even voiced the possibility of Winston-Visor-Monty. Schema was not as low as this in the bottom tier, above even Fenn (in Cass' opinion). Ultimately, Cass' opinion on Schema seemed about as high as her opinion of you, by EoD4.


dicetosser, what do you think of Fenn?