Swords and Sorcery Mafia Without the Swords [Concluded]

[Sooh]

So you did roll scum! Good to know.

Sooh

Oh hi!

I definitely know we haven't played together before.

[Sooh]

I'm the mod here and I'll be honest, I have no idea what our meta is at the moment. Mostly because our games have had a lot more cross-pollination from other forums lately and the bulk of our players aren't "homegrown" anymore.

Also, welcome Snerk and Arakhor, and welcome back Lewwyn!

(somebody who's not Snerk/Lewwyn, do these two usually spend this much time at the start of the game talking about general approach/meta?)

(somebody who's not GH, does this seem odd?)

[Sooh]

It does bother me a little the way GH canvassed for opinions on this, instead of giving one himself.

ah ha!

[Renata]

What makes you think he is so towny?

This is a weird vote from you.

Looks sort of honest, though?

For Dp -- honest question here, what's the difference between me and Zack?

[Sooh]

Sorry for the multiple posts. As you can see I'm catching up.

[Sooh]

Bit weak, don't you think?

Vote: Winston Hughes

Winton Hughes, atheotes wolf team. Maybe Visor. Al spewed town or mafia, depending on your interpretation.

GH, Renata town.

A minute ago you sussed GH for asking opinions instead of giving them. What changed?

[Zack]

A minute ago you sussed GH for asking opinions instead of giving them. What changed?

Actually it was over five hours ago.

[Sooh]

Actually it was over five hours ago.

Question still stands. What changed.

[Renata]

Tone. Everything about his posts feels like the same, standard, "I'm going to try to be village and have a good time, even if it gets me scumread" that I always see from him. If anyone else was posting in the way that he was, I would be perfectly fine with someone going after them, but this right here is exactly what I have come to expect from him.

I'm reading him as pretty much the opposite of that after Zack voted him. Not sure what else to say.

[Dp101]

Looks sort of honest, though?

For Dp -- honest question here, what's the difference between me and Zack?

Zack questioned, you just jumped on.

[Csargo]

(somebody who's not GH, does this seem odd?)

I don't think it's odd for GH.

[Winston Hughes]

All the answers below look really weak to me. Like trying to pass off yourself off as just lalaladon'tcare when that's really not your MO that I've ever noticed -- when you go "make myself lynchbait" you don't mess around. Lampshading that it's a weak vote and all. I mean, I get that the vote in itself. I do stuff like that myself. I just feel like you got called out and you're fumbling a bit in a way that seems unlike you.

It's not in my scum MO to put myself in danger D1 by doing dumb stuff.

If I'm leaving scumhooks - intentionally or otherwise - they'll be more subtle than that.

As to making myself lynchbait, that's not what I was doing at all. I wasn't trying to be suspected, I just wasn't worrying about it.

For the 'fumbling' bit, I can only say that you've got it entirely backwards if you think nerves have had any part in my play here.

I guess it's the best way to justify a scumread on me for all this, but do you really think I've been acting out of fear or panic?

[Renata]

I just don't believe you can control yourself that finely, so as not to make mistakes. God knows I can't. Again, it's not the vote itself. That's Zack's reasoning, not mine.

If you think I'm trying to "justify a scumread" you should probably be voting me rather than Al Sips. You can add that to the list of things you've said that feel wrong to me.

[Renata]

Zack questioned, you just jumped on.

Fair enough. I'm not scumreading you so I guess I'll just have to hope you come to see it differently.

[Winston Hughes]

Exactly. The last quote especially downplays the fact that Winston defended Al and implied Renata should find a better vote, then suddenly voted Al when I said Winston sounded like he was defending a teammate. Then acts like that's not how it happened at all, it was just lolnotcaring (and while shitposting is a thing Winston does as town, particularly early on, not caring isn't).

Al was just the guy Renata was voting for.

She's the one I was interested in.

You joining in and scumreading me was an unexpected bonus.

[Renata]

If you're feeling dubious about me, why do you jump on the vote that I am making?

[Winston Hughes]

I just don't believe you can control yourself that finely, so as not to make mistakes. God knows I can't. Again, it's not the vote itself. That's Zack's reasoning, not mine.

I'll always make plenty of mistakes, but I'm too careful as scum to do something that obvious, and then compound it by keeping the focus there.

If you think I'm trying to "justify a scumread" you should probably be voting me rather than Al Sips. You can add that to the list of things you've said that feel wrong to me.

Why does this feel wrong?

Were you not justifying a scumread on me?

[Winston Hughes]

If you're feeling dubious about me, why do you jump on the vote that I am making?

To see how you react.

[Renata]

I'll always make plenty of mistakes, but I'm too careful as scum to do something that obvious, and then compound it by keeping the focus there.



Why does this feel wrong?

Were you not justifying a scumread on me?

I HAVE a scumread on you. To say I'm trying to justify it is to say I'm making it up; that is, I'm scum. You don't believe that. I think you put it that way so that others would.

[Renata]

To see how you react.

Before Zack voted you and you responded in a way I found scummy, my reaction was going to be precisely nothing. How do you read that.

[Zack]

lol reaction tests. "I did something wolfy to see if you would call it wolfy. You've fallen into my trap, wolf!"

Won't be available until tomorrow probably. Go Falcons.

[Renata]

Don't gild the lily, Zack, you're not on my town list either.

[Winston Hughes]

lol reaction tests. "I did something wolfy to see if you would call it wolfy. You've fallen into my trap, wolf!"

Nothing so crude. The point isn't to catch someone cold. It's just to create some kind of reaction upon which a better read might be built.

[Sooh]

I feel like Zack is ignoring me.

[Winston Hughes]

I HAVE a scumread on you. To say I'm trying to justify it is to say I'm making it up; that is, I'm scum. You don't believe that. I think you put it that way so that others would.

Maybe there are different definitions, but 'justify' doesn't imply dishonesty afaik.

Before Zack voted you and you responded in a way I found scummy, my reaction was going to be precisely nothing. How do you read that.

Scummy, obvs.

[Arakhor]

Unless there's shenanigans already, I'm voting for Csargo, not Montmorency (hence Csargo's OMGUS vote and our responses to said vote).

GH, as where my head's at, it's finding another 80 posts in six hours, so a little behind the times is where I am!

Please don't confuse my ignorance for hedging. They may look similar, but I'm fairly slow to form conclusions in these games (wrong ones, usually, but still).

[Renata]

Maybe there are different definitions, but 'justify' doesn't imply dishonesty afaik.



Scummy, obvs.

Argh.

vote: Al Sipsclar

I can't decide right now if you (Winston) are a you problem or a me problem. I do believe that Al Sipsclar promise to catch up on a thread that at that point doesn't need catching up on (it was like 20 posts deep if that), followed by nothing, is >rand scum.

[Arakhor]

Hi everyone! Reading up.

Vote: BSmith

Post #19 is the one in question, made almost 24 hours ago. It also seems to have been his only one so far.

[Arakhor]

I remember in Masque of Death Winston was fairly windy throughout the game, but was also innocent. A quiet Winston who's not also absent would be somewhat weird to me.

I'd consider voting for Al too, based on the strength of his single post, but Day One seems rather too early for a policy lynch. It just seems too scummy, as it were.

As for Visor/Atheotes, Visor frequently changes his mind and chats up the thread a lot, but often he's on to something at the same time.

[Renata]

1. Dp101 -- slight town
2. Bsmith -- no show
3. GeneralHankerchief -- towny enough
4. Montmorency -- wtf monty where'd you go
5. Choxorn -- probably town
6. Atheotes -- maybe awkward start w/visor based on others' comments
7. Arakhor -- no read personally yet, apparently GH finds him scummy
8. Snerk -- mildly scummy
9. Al Sipclar -- one-post scummy
10. Visor -- see atheotes with a side a monty, looked okish while here but don't see how I can ever clear him on this little
11. Csargo -- no read
12. Winston Hughes -- heck if I know
13. Kcaz -- having tinfoil of me/Jabbz/Zack from last game if Winston is town. maybe a little limited in his interests so far? no sure
14. Sooh -- townie enough
15. Renata
16. Lewwyn -- no read