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"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
Well, as the nationalists like to point out, it's an island, there are only so many choices: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-br...31959120070801
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Days since the Apocalypse began
"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
It's OK, Grockles are always making fun of us.
Probably.
Being a student originally I tend towards pubs in Town, but my local is the Bowling Green. Still not totally sure about the new management.
Or a massive punch up.
Not even natives of Devon irrc. Exeter is really quite cosmopolitan.
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Bitter reality expressed through the lens of comedy. Many a true word is spoken in jest.
Days since the Apocalypse began
"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
I've seen that video elsewhere. Did you get shared that video on Facebook or something similar? I remember last year, when I was posting account after account from resigned shadow ministers and aides, and you or someone posted a Jonathan Pie video and acted as though it was the height of wit and wisdom.
I do follow his page on Facebook and channel on youtube. I find it entertaining and I usually find that I agree with his viewpoint more often than not. This particular video is highlighting many things I have expressed before but in a more comedian and engaging fashion.
Though height of wit and wisdom is incorrect. I posted a video giving an alternative viewpoint of the situation which you found contemptible.
Last edited by Beskar; 05-15-2017 at 09:59.
Days since the Apocalypse began
"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
Probably because I was quoting primary sources at the time, from people who'd worked with Corbyn and found him to be incompetent, and then you posted a comment from a comedian to refute these primary accounts. "Bitter reality expressed through the lens of comedy. Many a true word is spoken in jest" apparently, whilst denying what people who are close to the actual events are saying.
UK plummets from 11th to 156th in global children's rights rankings
Strong and Stable
The UK has been accused of employing “inadequate” provision for children’s rights protection after it fell dramatically in global rankings for child rights within a year, from 11th to 156th.
Serious concerns have been raised about structural discrimination in the UK, including Muslim children facing increased discrimination following recent anti-terrorism measures, and a rise in discrimination against gypsy and refugee children in recent years.
The UK now ranks among the bottom 10 global performers in the arena of improving rights of the child, after it achieved the lowest-possible score across all six available indicators in the domain of Child Rights Environment (CRE), according to the KidsRights Index 2017.
Days since the Apocalypse began
"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
I used to drink in there. I am too busy and have too many kids to get much of a chance to go out. And when I do, I seem to gravitate to the quay
I'm not one for resorting to violence. Especially not on the basis of having ideological differences.Or a massive punch up.
I'm from the south east.Not even natives of Devon irrc. Exeter is really quite cosmopolitan.
Exeter is a funny mix. Much more recent immigration than much of the rest of the country. The large number of Chinese students seem to be the most notable new group.
"The republicans will draft your kids, poison the air and water, take away your social security and burn down black churches if elected." Gawain of Orkney
Pray, independant, tell me what this actually means. What children's rights are being denied, what abuses are being inflicted, what metric and method does the UNCRC and unicef employ in their assessments and why in gods name does thailand, the fucking paedophilia tourism capital of the world rank higher than all but 7 of the first world nations?
I mean look at the UK's score:
Life:0.966/10
Health 0.978/10
Education 0.844/10
Protection 0.959/10
Child Rights Environment 0.010/10
What in gods name is Child Rights Enviroment?
Well that doesnt look subjective in the extreme. What are the criteria for marking?Indicators are
- Non-discrimination
- Best interest of the child
- Respect for the views of the child/child participation
- Enabling legislation
- Best available budget
- Collection and analysis of disaggregate data
- State-civil society cooperation for child rights
As explained earlier, in the KidsRights Index 2017, domain 5 (‘Enabling Environment for Child Rights’) has been updated with all Concluding Observations (COs) adopted by the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child in 2016.http://www.kidsrightsindex.org/Porta...-11-124125-077Scoring System:
Score 1 ‘bad’ = only negative remarks
Score 2 ‘average’ = negative and positive remarks
Score 3 ‘good’ = only positive remarks
NA = not addressed
We were put below child prostitute central because the UN's Committee on the Rights of the Child concluding observations were negative. Not findings, not statistics, the negative comments of a committee in the most abused international organization in the world.
The same committee that gave Indonesia a complete pass.
Last edited by Greyblades; 05-15-2017 at 18:13.
And the Labour campaign is being run by a bloke who was a member of the Communist party this time last year. Not only that, but he's an apologist for Stalin and North Korea as well. Still, he has personal connections to Jeremy Corbyn and Len McCluskey, so he's naturally been welcomed by the Labour leader.
Oh, and in true Corbyn-esque style, he has to downplay any condemnation of Islamist terrorism as well by bringing in western imperialism as the greater evil. Andrew Murray on the Paris attacks:
We condemn the attacks in Paris unreservedly. But we also need to say that the barbarism we condemn in Paris is minute compared to the barbarism wrought by imperialism across the planet in the last thirteen years and we must condemn that barbarism all the more strongly.
Andrew Murray, 19th January 2015
Note who introduces him.
Last edited by Pannonian; 05-15-2017 at 17:09.
Tory candidate for Exeter just knocked on the door. He used to live on the same street. He always seems like the lights are on but no one is really home.
"The republicans will draft your kids, poison the air and water, take away your social security and burn down black churches if elected." Gawain of Orkney
What do you make of Antifa(scism) and "bash the fash"?
@Greyblades @Beskar About the Kids Rights Index report:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
TLDR: UK scores are still very high (higher than Thailand's) except for "Child Rights Environment", because (re: Collection and Analysis of Disaggregate Data) insufficient data from the year of reporting changes was submitted and that brought the score for the category down to 'near-zero', which in turn brought the geometric average down to near-zero. A similar effect occurred with a number of other European and Anglophone countries. In other words, the incomplete older format automatically scored lower for the new standards.
Their work seems to be perfectly valid and appropriate. You just didn't understand the methodology. On the other hand, this also renders Beskar's use of the measure in his criticism of "Strong and Stable" ineffective. The UK will presumably rise again in 2018 once they can submit the appropriate data and records. The year 2017 could be regarded as one in which broad comparisons along this ranking must be considered unreliable due to so many countries suffering on a basically administrative issue.
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I understand the methodolgy I just find it's catagories too subjective for applicability and too reliant on the assessment of a source with a reputation of blatant partiality.
How can we hold valid the assessment of a organization that often makes such counter productive and antithetical decisions such as electing saudi arabia as the head of a women's rights comission?
How can it be a vaild and appropriate assessment when one of the paramiters is so broad and undefined as the "Best interest of the child" or "Respect for the views of the child"?
"Only in unity, north and south, east and West, European and middle Eastern will we defeat the NATO leaders."
Andrew Murray, currently heading the Labour party's 2017 general election campaign.
First of all, it's important to realize that the Kids Rights foundation is not affiliated with or a part of the United Nations. Secondly, any given office that may actually operate under the auspices of the UN are independent bureaucratic and technocratic agencies - whereas commission heads are elected by national representatives, typically on a rotating basis, with respect to the Women's Status Commission a secret ballot of 13 countries every four years. So your complaint just isn't relevant.
As to the actual categories of assessment, you would find it difficult to argue against them if you read them. They are only broad and undefined inasmuch as you don't understand them:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
"Paris reaps whirlwind of western support for extremist violence in Middle East"
Stop the War Coalition, immediately following the Paris attacks in which 130 were killed (17th? November 2015)
Jeremy Corbyn attends Stop the War Coalition Christmas fundraiser, December 2015.
Jeremy Corbyn appoints former chair of the Stop the War Coalition to head the Labour party general election campaign, May 2017.
Did I mention that Andrew Murray was chief of staff of Len McCluskey, Corbyn's biggest union ally, who has promised to use his union's funds to pay for Momentum, Corbyn's personal support group? How much public money is Corbyn's group of friends distributing among themselves?
I dont see how that matters considering I showed they base thier entire scoring system for the contested category on the United Nation's commentary. How closely they follow it may be up for debate but it is blatant they do not contribute thier own work to the result.
Sir you are wrong, these convention members are elected not appointed through beuracracy and are equally vulnerable to political exploitation as the women's status commission.Secondly, any given office that may actually operate under the auspices of the UN are independent bureaucratic and technocratic agencies - whereas commission heads are elected by national representatives, typically on a rotating basis, with respect to the Women's Status Commission a secret ballot of 13 countries every four years. So your complaint just isn't relevant.
Such an organization with such a history of cronyism cannot be trusted to assess a nation without bias.
Do not presume to deride my understanding when you yourself clearly have not comprehended my contentions:As to the actual categories of assessment, you would find it difficult to argue against them if you read them. They are only broad and undefined inasmuch as you don't understand them:
No definition or criteria for what counts as "best for a child" or how the comittee deduces such despite the term having as many differing definitions as there are people upon the earth.Best interests of the child (Article 3) - The extent to which a country has operationalized the general principle of the best interests of the child. The best interests of children must be the primary concern in making decisions that may affect them. All adults should do what is best for children. When adults make decisions, they should think about how their decisions will affect children. This particularly applies to budget, policy and law makers, public or private welfare institutions, courts of law and administrative authorities.
We are deemed under performing in "respecting the views of children", this is despite achieving a neutral closing statement in 2006 (page 16) and there being no change in free speech laws in the interregnum, raising the question of what exactly did this comittee object to now that it didnt then.Respect for the views of the child/child participation (Article 12) – The extent to which a country has operationalized the general principle of respect for the views of the child. When adults are making decisions that affect children, children have the right to say what they think should happen and have their opinions taken into account.
This does not mean that children can now tell their parents or others what to decide or do. The CRC encourages adults to listen to and seriously consider the opinions of children and to involve them in decision-making – but not to give children authority over adults. Article 12 does not interfere with the parental right and responsibility to direct and guide their child in exercising her/his rights or with the parental right to express their views on matters affecting their children.
Moreover, the Convention recognizes that the level of a child’s participation in decisions must be appropriate to the child’s level of maturity or evolving capacities. Children’s ability to form and express their opinions usually develops with age and most adults will naturally give the views of teenagers greater weight than those of a preschooler, whether in family, legal or administrative decisions.
You have not in any way addressed the key issue that I have with this, by which that our score can be affected due to, for whatever reason, the review by this comittee elicited something so utterly unquantifiable as a "negative concluding observations". No qualifier on what the content of these observations was or whether or not it's negativity is sourced from the comittees personal biases, merely operating on an assumption that because a comittee ended a review on what the Kids Rights Index interprited as a sour note an entire nation failed.
http://www.kidsrightsindex.org/Porta...-11-124125-077 - Page 3The information for domain 5 - ‘Child Rights Environment’ - derived from the qualitative Concluding Observations is scored on a scale between 1 and 3. The actual score assigned to each sub-indicator is exclusively based on the language used by the CRC Committee in the Concluding Observations. The resulting final scores have also been standardized.
There is no sound mind that would consider such results useful or even valid with such methodology making it's subsequent devaluing of the national scores of the United Kingdom and New Zealand exceedingly egregious and calls into question the very usefulness of this KidsRightsIndex.
Last edited by Greyblades; 05-16-2017 at 01:34.
Most of the data is reported by participating governments.I dont see how that matters considering I showed they base thier entire scoring system for the contested category on the United Nation's commentary.
I don't think you understand what you are referring to. As I said, convention members are member-states (through their representatives). Agencies and committees of the UN that perform investigative, statistical, or advocacy work are neither member states nor their representatives - they are mostly academic and bureaucratic staff. The link you post about the Committee on the Rights of the Child in fact says as much, suggesting you did not read it.Sir you are wrong, these convention members are elected not appointed through beuracracy
The definitions are provided for in the Convention on the Rights of the Child. The group providing the rankings explicitly describes the Convention as the basis for the rankings. That's the whole point.No definition or criteria for what counts as "best for a child" or how the comittee deduces such despite the term having as many differing definitions as there are people upon the earth.
Did you read my post explaining just this? From the report:We are deemed under performing in "respecting the views of children", this is despite achieving a neutral closing statement in 2006 (page 16) and there being no change in free speech laws in the interregnum, raising the question of what exactly did this comittee object to now that it didnt then.
There were some new reporting standards in 2016 and the countries that did or could not meet them partly or fully for that year took a serious hit in the 5th domain of Enabling Environment.Disaggregated data, that is data collected on the situation of (particular groups of) children in a country, are important to be able to
drive decisions on the development of children´s rights. Better collection and analysis of the data can assist in realizing and protecting
the rights of all children as decisions can be taken on the specific needs of particular groups of children, based on for example income,
sex, age, race or ethnicity. As discussed previously, countries worldwide should do more to collected disaggregated data.
The (non-)availability of data remains influential. Of the twenty-seven countries that were subjected to CRC state reporting in 2016
thirteen countries realized the lowest possible score on the indicator collection and analysis of disaggregated data (indicating that
the CO contains only negative remarks on this aspect). These countries are Benin, Brunei Darussalam, France, Haiti, Ireland, Nauru,
Nepal, New Zealand, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sierra Leone, Slovakia and the United Kingdom. The remaining countries realized an
‘average’ score (indicating a combination of positive and negative remarks in the latest Concluding Observations).
Only thirteen countries of the twenty-seven countries that were subjected to CRC state reporting in 2016 received a score on all seven
indicators. These countries are Haiti, Iran, Kenya, Latvia, Maldives, Nauru, Oman, Pakistan, Peru, Saudi Arabia, Sierra Leone, Slovakia
and South Africa. For the remaining countries at least one indicator was missing.
Because the rankings work by a geometric mean rather than an arithmetic mean, the lowest score is highly-determinative of the aggregate score. Whether or nor reporting requirements were met is an objective standard, as is infant mortality rate or teen birth rate. As I said, the best case you could make here is that this skewing effect suggests the measures would better be taken on their own rather than ranked altogether through some aggregating means - or a better transformation for the aggregation than the geometric mean should be used.
It's really frustrating that your posts are consistently so ill-considered.
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I like the Prospect on the Quay. My sister is in Heavitree now too, and my parents are in Exmouth, so we sometimes go there for Sunday Lunch. The Bowling Green changed hands recently, still feeling out the new landlord.
Neither am I, but I don't envisage a black hole, either.I'm not one for resorting to violence. Especially not on the basis of having ideological differences.
Hampshire, Wales, Sweden, Surrey. So It's unlikely we're related.I'm from the south east.
The Chinese students are transient, the Middle Eastern, Polish and Romanian immigrants have had a bigger impact on the city.Exeter is a funny mix. Much more recent immigration than much of the rest of the country. The large number of Chinese students seem to be the most notable new group.
Well, at least he's local.
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"The republicans will draft your kids, poison the air and water, take away your social security and burn down black churches if elected." Gawain of Orkney
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
My daughter answered the door and called for me. As I walked towards the door and recognised his punchable lost puppy face I said "no, not a chance". He responded quizzically. "Never voting Tory" I elucidated and closed the door.
"The republicans will draft your kids, poison the air and water, take away your social security and burn down black churches if elected." Gawain of Orkney
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
Not really. To be fair, politicians CVs are a joke. They basically say 'went to boarding/private/grammar school's went to University (for PPE degree). Either became banker, lawyer or political~esque for a few years then go full time into politics. No real work experience.
If we wanted real leaders, we would have a lot more diversity from trained professionals with years of experience like Nurses, Police, Social work, etc.
Last edited by Beskar; 05-17-2017 at 14:15.
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