Trump Thread

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Apparently you didn't read the post:

It's not about him firing Comey, but whether he asked Comey to end the investigation before he fired him.

No, it isnt.

A request to stop without the authority of an order or the use of intimidation is not obstruction of justice and I cannot find any example of it being used as a basis for the charge.

In this case the wording of his statement was such that it cannot even reliably determined as request or expression of opinion.

For the Russian connections it's once again the same thing as with the obstruction, the President himself will not be charged with anything. His advisers and circle of friends/partners however can and possibly will be charged, be it like General Flynn and the charge of conducting diplomacy as an individual and not disclosing his foreign connections. Kushner may be in the same boat as Flynn and a whole host of other members of his white house staff, that's what the multiple investigations will determine.

I've heard arguments stating it is common incoming president's staff to be in contact with foreign nations in preparation for the transfer. Is this true and could it be applied to this situation?

Though none of these will probably be able to directly implicate Trump, the fact that he surrounds himself with possibly compromised persons will weaken his role as one to 'make America Great.' All these investigations however may reveal that he was trying to obstruct any look into to his associates which could be grounds for impeachment though at this moment that's highly unlikely. In a year's time though the damage of these investigations to himself and his party may make him such dead-weight that the Republicans may feel compelled to get rid of him in favor of having Pence as president.

I disagree with the idea that the republicans will just get rid of Trump just for being a dead weight. The republican establishment have wanted him out since day one and his continuing position is entirely predicated upon his base popularity. If they try to remove him without a undeniable reason, such as an actual obstruction of justice, a significant portion of thier electorate will revolt against the party.

They could have Pence now if they wanted, but they'd forfiet the next few elections and risk a schism.

Having many friends (in law enforcement and military) that are adamantly pro-Trump I know that right now they aren't swayed by anything that's happened. They see him as under attack by the the 'liberal' media and the 'deep state bureaucrats' and stand by him 100%. They think the Russian charges as BS and just an attempt by the left to subvert the election results.

I do not think their viewpoint are invalid, considering the devolution of some of left wing's media platforms to the level of disinformation previously dominated by Fox news and the frequent leaks from inside the government, many of which that werent in the public's interest to be revealed and only served to undermine Trump.

I can't imagine however that they'll stand by him if his closest associates start going to jail (unless he pardons them). Unfortunately politics are so partisan and everyone is so wrapped in their echo chamber of self-righteousness that they refuse to acknowledge the faults of their side because the other is the enemy.

I wish I could disagree with that.

A problem in both our contries over the last few decades is that the ruling partys have too often been able to survive as a ruling party despite so much incompetence only due to the even worse performance of the opposition.

Sometimes it seems as if self improvement has just gone out of style.