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Looking back at people who had any opinion at all on Jowy, ctrl+F shows this:

Page 2:
Manasi is the first to call Jowy town based on his obviously fake fakepeek.
Page 3:
Jowy gives reads but no one called him townie.
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Barto scumreads Jowy
Dp reads Jowy slight town.
Barto insists I take a look at Jowy-crimson
Page 5
Cuth puts Jowy as town
"jowy a nice free-flowing game BUT going in the right directions, has a mildly cocksure aura to him that i like"
Novice townreads Jowy as a top town read.
dp backs off his town read of Jowy a bit as a response to my push
novice gives reason for townreading jowy
after iso, novice suggests that jowy might have deliberately pocketed him.
Page 6
Winston townreads Jowy
" Jowy because if this is his scum game, it's improved radically since I saw it last. "
crimson also questions jowy townread.
novice asks jowy to explain his behavior / process conflict.
Cuth defends Jowy.
Page 8
Csargo votes Jowy after I push the issue.
Monty doesn't push Jowy.
dp waffles a bit on Jowy.
Barto votes Jowy to tie the game 3-3 csargo-jowy
Champ pushes Jowy to 4
dp suggests ready to vote Jowy but champ's vote makes him hesitate
dp again suggests Jowy is scummy.
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Manasi defends Jowy unconvincingly
I force dp101 to self-pres on Jowy or be lynched, so he does.


These are my first impressions only, but snap reading this after watching it all unfold from the control-search perspective,

El Barto's read of Jowy looked genuine, specifically his odd pairing of Jowy-crimson and insistence I look there on page 4, just because it's so specific and audacious. I do not feel El Barto was scum pushing Jowy. That looked like a real tinfoil from him.

In general, Cuth's read of Jowy is specific and well-formed, and despite his odd vote coloring I have no scum read on Cuth here. I think he arrived at Jowy town based on superior knowledge of Jowy's meta and methods, and this was not a forced or hollow scum reading a townie as town.

I don't really trust Novice that much, but his process on Jowy matches what I've seen him do as town. He gives a reason or two to back off the town read, and I think he can fake all this as scum, but if he is scum he's not being caught by any of his behavior toward Jowy, I don't think. It all looks on the level, pretty much.

Winston's townread of Jowy looks probably the most solid of the bunch. It's very firm, doesn't waver, and is based on his experience. I also don't think Winston had a chance to defend Jowy after the latest pushes of him, so he did everything he could to defend Jowy as a town read and none of it looked fake.

crimson mirrors my thoughts on Jowy but never pushes it at all, and I do not detect a scummy agenda from crimson. He's also town to me.

Csargo's push of Jowy looks normal, for him, and especially him unvoting Jowy looks great when csargo has 3 votes since his big tinfoil was always dp101 this game. I think he was on Jowy just to lend me a hand, but was willing to die to lynch dp101 who honestly had a bad first half of d1 and looked iffy all round. He can be scum because I've seen him make no effort to save himself as scum before, but this is just very gamble-y.

Monty took no action which is nai for him, but I didn't see him ever defend Jowy for town credits.

The least convincing person who commented on Jowy was Manasi.

Jowy's fakepeek and cop cover was downright terrible and wouldn't have convinced town or scums alike, in my view. Manasi hanging on to that almost 2 full days later and bringing it up as her only comment about Jowy isn't realistic to me as an actual defense.

If Manasi is scum and got a moderate townread from me, her behavior toward Jowy this game should be looked at.

Will add a bonus read here: Sooh was present near end of round and I don't believe most of her reads. Suspicion on her is warranted and I want a lot of activity and behavior from her on day 2. She needs to be closely examined. She didn't take a stand for or against the Jowy lynch, and is dead wrong about me being scummy.

Bad feelings about Sooh-slot can be due to her lack of engagement and being plugged into the game. So I want to see more before I make another hasty decision. Still, as someone who has seen her town and scum-sides, I didn't feel townieness yet.