XCOM Mafia [Concluded]

[novice]

Regarding my lame defense of Jowy, I wasn't paying enough attention to see he was actually on the table for a lynch.

Wait, what? You seemed very present and attentive at end of day. Here are some sample posts:

I was moderately ready to vote Jowy before this, Pizza's opinion on him not notwithstanding, but this just makes the wagon look even more scummy to me.

Why are you scum reading champ?

This is my emotional state over the past 3 hours:

1) I do not want to be wrong especially on a new player, especially how hard I was pushing him.
2) Cannot sleep due to that stress.
3) The counterwagon is Csargo.
4) There's just no way that Csargo town should ever be lynched before Jowy town, so even if Jowy is townie, this is a much better lynch.
5) Jowy still looks really scummy. Not even backing off of that a little.

Jowy peeked me he can't be scum.

After a lot of collective hand-wringing regarding Jowy, you repeat your lame defense of him. Surely you knew he was up for a lynch?

[Dp101]

I already know you hate me, it's well established itt.

I don't, that much, the constant gif-posting just feels scummy to me.

[Montmorency]

??? You townread me earlier, is there some post that shows your shifting of opinion?

lol dude that was the beginning of D1, your first few posts.

[Dp101]

lol dude that was the beginning of D1, your first few posts.

Ok, but what changed in my play, from your perspective, since then?

[Winston Hughes]

I'm back and caught up, with a bottle of cognac at hand and a free pass for the morning from my good lady wife.

First take is that pizza is breaking new ground, whatever his alignment. Extreme lucidity, convincing progression, agenda either super-obvious or exceptionally well disguised. The Jowy lynch was terrible in a way that speaks of either genuine misread or remarkably brazen scumming. If this was D4, paranoia would be kicking in hard, but at this stage he looks really good, simply because I can't see why he'd play the early game this way as scum.

Second take is that my suspects from yesterday still look scummy. Neither Logic nor Manasi responded to my suspicions, and neither has broken out to give me that townie goodness I'm looking for.

Third take is that Cuth and Csargo have moved in opposite directions. I really like how Cuth has been posting. If he's faking that flow, then it's very well done. By contrast, Csargo has carried on with the same reactionary bit he started the game with, which is townie enough on the surface, but starts to look a bit weak and easy when there's more substance to engage with.

[Winston Hughes]

@Dp101
@Montmorency

What's your read on me right now?

[Montmorency]

Ok, but what changed in my play, from your perspective, since then?

No sense of the bigger picture. You have focused on putting out fires as they come, which while not exactly tunneling, suggests a specific agenda. You should be much more engaged with the analysis Pizza has been promulgating, for instance.

[Montmorency]

@Dp101
@Montmorency

What's your read on me right now?

Fine?

[Winston Hughes]

Fine?

Why?

[Montmorency]

Why?

I don't have anything on you.

[novice]

Reactions to Pizza's "why I'm town" opus in post 719-720:

Alright.

Theatrics may perhaps be excitement to play after not having done so for a while. Same with the excessive ISOing.

You can be town, but I reserve the right to tinfoil at any moment in time. I still feel eeeeehhhhh, but I'll let it go. Who knows, perhaps the scums think our thunderdome is exciting enough to let us both live to fight each other another day :P

Maybe Pizza is town after all, I dunno.

Yeah. It seems kind of like his annoyed "Now I'm being suspected for ridiculous reasons again" personality.

Pizza is town, and if you disagree I'll fite you all!

Nah, but really, pretty sure he's town.

I found it pretty convincng too.

[novice]

I'm back and caught up, with a bottle of cognac at hand and a free pass for the morning from my good lady wife.

First take is that pizza is breaking new ground, whatever his alignment. Extreme lucidity, convincing progression, agenda either super-obvious or exceptionally well disguised. The Jowy lynch was terrible in a way that speaks of either genuine misread or remarkably brazen scumming. If this was D4, paranoia would be kicking in hard, but at this stage he looks really good, simply because I can't see why he'd play the early game this way as scum.

Second take is that my suspects from yesterday still look scummy. Neither Logic nor Manasi responded to my suspicions, and neither has broken out to give me that townie goodness I'm looking for.

Third take is that Cuth and Csargo have moved in opposite directions. I really like how Cuth has been posting. If he's faking that flow, then it's very well done. By contrast, Csargo has carried on with the same reactionary bit he started the game with, which is townie enough on the surface, but starts to look a bit weak and easy when there's more substance to engage with.

Good post.

[novice]

In FrenchRev you were much more measured and cautious D1.

As for the next post, in visorSmallGame, while you were an early sub and it wasn't D1, through the late game (d3-4) you worked very hard to find townies. You made similarly elaborate cases on why so and so is probs town due to voting and process, while other so and so are probs partners because whatever - please work with me you townies, I know you are town because bla, if you think I'm scum then lynch me and we lose. And then you flipped all the reads and rhetoric, with equal reasoning and rhetoric and conviction. It was all part of playing the field to create the situation that you want. You are kind of similar to that late-game pizza so far.

I completely agree with this description also, which is probably what's feeding our paranoia. But there's a strategic difference between scumming like this on day one and in the late game. Early days you generally want to narrow your footprint as scum. (I guess I'm parroting Winston here but whatever.)

[Montmorency]

I completely agree with this description also, which is probably what's feeding our paranoia. But there's a strategic difference between scumming like this on day one and in the late game. Early days you generally want to narrow your footprint as scum. (I guess I'm parroting Winston here but whatever.)

Pehraps. But we don't need to be convinced that Pizza is town to cooperate with him.

[Sooh]

Pehraps. But we don't need to be convinced that Pizza is town to cooperate with him.

There's a difference between cooperating with and appealing to, but sure.

[Winston Hughes]

Reading DP's iso, I struggle to see why he was a candidate D1.

Posts like these would represent a significant step up from what I've seen from him as scum:

I take that back, I don't think that scum Pizza is quite this arrogant.

Oh, I forgot about something critical. Vote: Csargo. It really looks like you are trying to powerwolf from my perspective, and while I may end up voting a townie who just wants to try hard, hit a scum, soar high, and then get shot down by scum, I feel like this kind of early aggressive pushing is more commonly seen from scum on this forum.

The second paragraph here feels very scummy to me, but I also can't explain why. I just can't come up with a single reason for scum to ever actually post it, in this situation, but the tone of it is horrible regardless.

That said, today's contribution has been very reactive. The set-up analysis is cute if scum, but everything else is very much within his scum range.

[Montmorency]

Posts like these would represent a significant step up from what I've seen from him as scum:

Are you comparing to Jabbz' game?

[novice]

(To Csargo)

What I do not understand is why you wanted to draw my vote onto Dp101 earlier in the day but not the second time you were voting him. Maybe you didn't really want Dp101 to swing? My vote would have made it 3-3 and off to a random tiebreaker. 50% is not good odds for a scummioso!Csargo.

I must have missed what you're referring to, El Barto. When/how did Csargo not want to draw your vote? How does one even do that? Did he say "people, let's vote Dp - but not you, El Barto."?

[Montmorency]

(To Csargo)

I must have missed what you're referring to, El Barto. When/how did Csargo not want to draw your vote? How does one even do that? Did he say "people, let's vote Dp - but not you, El Barto."?

I was also confused about this. I think it refers to EOD, when Csargo and Barto suddenly switched onto Jowy from DP, but when Csargo went back on DP, Barto didn't follow.

Right?

[novice]

Reading DP's iso, I struggle to see why he was a candidate D1.

Posts like these would represent a significant step up from what I've seen from him as scum.

Did you see him in this year's championship game?

[Winston Hughes]

Are you comparing to Jabbz' game?

That and at least a couple of others.

[Winston Hughes]

There's something immediate and unfiltered about the emotional reaponse.

[Winston Hughes]

Did you see him in this year's championship game?

Aye.

[Montmorency]

That and at least a couple of others.

DP wasn't threatened for most of the day that game, and he didn't go on an offensive D1 here like he did there (other than some OMGUS toward Csargo) - but hasn't his focus been similarly narrow? What do you get if you consider French Revolution in comparison?

[Sooh]

(To Csargo)

I must have missed what you're referring to, El Barto. When/how did Csargo not want to draw your vote? How does one even do that? Did he say "people, let's vote Dp - but not you, El Barto."?

I think it has more to do with when he DID try to draw Barto's vote.

[El Barto]

Since I only have a few minutes remaining before night ends and flips happen, I want to get this out there as briefly as possible.

"Defensive" refers to Fredwood's entire day one iso, and in more than one sense. He's much more wordy when any kind of suspicion rolled his way, and he seemed to pop up right when I was mentioning him, which is a bad coincidence. Felt to me honestly like wolfy lurking and then responding to something that interested him, which was himself. Not clearing townies, not finding scums or pushing them.

Look at the first x number of posts he made in the game, none of them having anything to do with solving. And the timestamps involved.

Very few posts of content, then responds to me suspecting him, and then dips out for the rest of the phase.

That's what I am looking at. Defensive, self-concerned scum play. Not solving.

Hmm-mmm.

Maybe? Your little spat with Barto earlier looks weird, but I can't tell if it's scummy or not.

Please use the pronoun ‘he’ to refer to me.

So don't make wall posts cus none of you moths read them, because I've cleared like 4 people already, and have said I'd like to clear a few more but have concerns.

I doubt I'll be scum hunting this phase cus you guys are meanies and the last time I scum hunted I was treated like the lady at the Supermarket that starts yelling about the potatoes not being arranged properly.

BRB going to therapist.

"Anybody know a good therapist?"

You justify your lack of scum-hunting for this phase in advance. You hope that it will clear you retroactively for Day One.

vote: Fredwood

So had a mod moment. Could the lack of the NK be kind of representative of the XCom game. So much of the game is about setting up the ambush and getting the positioning just right. Maybe they couldn't kill N1, and will have multiple kills on other nights. That's more of a "this would be cool" workshop type thing then really a helpful thing, but it was a thought.

If you really want to go for that discussion, then it is pertinent to point out

I don't get what anyone really thinks this game, because apparently it has to be rolled in sarcasm and dipped in irony before posted.

Remember to serve it sautéed lightly with crushed garlic, two minced onions and a diced bell pepper. Sprinkle with rock salt a piacere.

(To Csargo)

I must have missed what you're referring to, El Barto. When/how did Csargo not want to draw your vote? How does one even do that? Did he say "people, let's vote Dp - but not you, El Barto."?

I was also confused about this. I think it refers to EOD, when Csargo and Barto suddenly switched onto Jowy from DP, but when Csargo went back on DP, Barto didn't follow.

Right?

I must reply in the affirmative to this.

[Csargo]

Alright, I'll be serious.

[El Barto]

So, some reads cobbled together on gedit:

Manasi is posting too much fluff. See post #858!

Holy moly Cuth, that post.

Regarding my lame defense of Jowy, I wasn't paying enough attention to see he was actually on the table for a lynch. Y'all know I'm a very jokey person in game and I thought the peek claim, however horrible misplaced and obviously fake, was a funny thing to ride out.

Mostly a joke between friends I suppose, nothing alignment indicative. I get why people are reading into that tho.

lolmafia

Fredwood: states he won't co-operate. I'm voting him

Champ: What a nasty vote at the end of the phase. Does Csargo benefit from that? 1 out of 2 votes on Csargo was was Jowy, the only proven townie™.

Crimson_snow: I do not think I have ever played with him before.

Sooh and her farinaceous boyfriend are trying to solve.

Autolycus - standard operating procedure for him.

Of Winston and Cuthillius I would like to see more. The former, preferably sober.

Monty - ???? - null read.

I find this line at the bottom of my text file:
Csargo-Manasi-Champ for trio of mafiosi?

[novice]

Disagree about Manasi, she's played very similar to the last game I feel, until maybe EoD.

Really? Manasi seems much more focused this game. Last game you were both quite flighty and lolcatty, not just under pressure but overall. Manasi's activity is more grounded in the game course - isn't yours as well?

Besides which, Manasi was scum last game.
That reads like a made up read from Csargo.

[Winston Hughes]

DP wasn't threatened for most of the day that game, and he didn't go on an offensive D1 here like he did there (other than some OMGUS toward Csargo) - but hasn't his focus been similarly narrow? What do you get if you consider French Revolution in comparison?

I'm not judging him by actions or positioning. Frankly, I'd be disappointed with him if he got himself caught off that shit.

What I'm looking at is his tone: the choice of words to represent his emotional state. That stuff is hard to fake, and while I have a lot of respect for his game, I feel like the posts I quoted represent a higher level than he's shown before.