XCOM Mafia [Concluded]

[Logic]

Your SoD posts, then:



Asks for summary.



Already establishing commentary on reads.



This third post is what really struck me as a faux-town thing to say.



blaring sirens

This sounds like you don't want to appear to be fishing, so you broach it more obliquely.



Again, faux-town excuse, but in reality town GH wouldn't skip reading the basic game-setup and rule posts from the host, and he wouldn't make light of doing so in the way you did.

Blaring sirens, and yet you don't move your vote? Are you being overly dramatic intentionally?

[El Barto]

Blaring sirens, and yet you don't move your vote? Are you being overly dramatic intentionally?

Montmorency, of all people? Never, I say, in a thousand years!

[Logic]

Montmorency, of all people? Never, I say, in a thousand years!

I don't know him well enough to make that call.

I can't criticize what he finds scummy, but the degree of suspicion does not match his actions. No vote, no call to arms, nothing of the sort.

Granted, I don't think Champ/GH has given us enough to work with.

[Montmorency]

Blaring sirens, and yet you don't move your vote? Are you being overly dramatic intentionally?

Nope.

1. Pizza-novice more important
2. I want Pizza's input.
3. GH should receive the courtesy of being permitted to catch up.

[Logic]

Nope.

1. Pizza-novice more important
2. I want Pizza's input.
3. GH should receive the courtesy of being permitted to catch up.

Cross posting:

Fair on all three points, but I think Item 1 is less significant than the other 2.

[novice]

Cross posting:

Fair on all three points, but I think Item 1 is less significant than the other 2.

Logic does not push for a thunderdome, if I understand him correctly.

[El Barto]

Nope.

1. Pizza-novice more important
2. I want Pizza's input.
3. GH should receive the courtesy of being permitted to catch up.

unvote

and then

vote: novice

If anything, we'll force atpg to look at others tomorrow.

[Manasi]

Sup y'all.

Glad you decided to join Sooh in the "Let's vote on a villager bc we don't know what else to do" wagon.

Got a sudden urge to cook so I'm in and out of the kitchen for a little bit.

I think the GH outbursts are super towny.

Don't know what to think of Barto's vote/unvote because I think he has been a bit different this game.

[El Barto]

Don't know what to think of Barto's vote/unvote because I think he has been a bit different this game.

It's the hair.

[El Barto]

Sup y'all.

Glad you decided to join Sooh in the "Let's vote on a villager bc we don't know what else to do" wagon.

You missed this bit:

I like how Manasi's vote is on me and she's ignoring everything I say in the game.

Still outstanding.

And do tell us what you're cooking.

[Manasi]

You missed this bit:

Still outstanding.

And do tell us what you're cooking.

I've told Sooh that all of her isos seem like just recap and inconclusive.

That being said, her interactions with Pizza seemed relatively normal so there's the slight chance I could be stuck in a tunnel.

I do think that Day 1 their interactions were weirder than Day 2, but I don't really think that she has done anything between those to warrant any sort of switch in a read.

As for what I'm cooking, I'm trying out this and this.

The house smells divine.

[Manasi]

Also since working full time has accelerated the aging process, the chances I will be awake for this EOD are slim to none.

[El Barto]

As for what I'm cooking, I'm trying out this and this.

The house smells divine.

When can I move in?

(the rest is snipped out, for Sooh to read when she gets back).

[Csargo]

I've told Sooh that all of her isos seem like just recap and inconclusive.

That being said, her interactions with Pizza seemed relatively normal so there's the slight chance I could be stuck in a tunnel.

I do think that Day 1 their interactions were weirder than Day 2, but I don't really think that she has done anything between those to warrant any sort of switch in a read.

As for what I'm cooking, I'm trying out this and this.

The house smells divine.

I wasn't even invited

[Sooh]

I've told Sooh that all of her isos seem like just recap and inconclusive.

That being said, her interactions with Pizza seemed relatively normal so there's the slight chance I could be stuck in a tunnel.

I do think that Day 1 their interactions were weirder than Day 2, but I don't really think that she has done anything between those to warrant any sort of switch in a read.

As for what I'm cooking, I'm trying out this and this.

The house smells divine.

I didn't really interact with Pizza until N1, but ok, I'll take it. I still find it odd that you think I'm scum, but you're doing zero, zilch and nothing to push that read, you're just waiting to see if other people do the work basically and then you can agree and shine because you were first vote on. I find the stand-offish attitude not very pro-town at all.

[Manasi]

lol at winston coming out of the woodworks to lynch me glgl buddyboi

[El Barto]

lol at winston coming out of the woodworks to lynch me glgl buddyboi

Yes! That was an interesting intervention by him. He had never posted anything related to you or to novice (either to justify lynching you for yourself or as a byproduct of saving novice whom he'd be townreading). He's only made sociable posts. Even my Day One posts have had more game-related content than his. But the clearness of his vote belies his claimed drunkenness/hangover.

[Montmorency]

Yes! That was an interesting intervention by him. He had never posted anything related to you or to novice (either to justify lynching you for yourself or as a byproduct of saving novice whom he'd be townreading). He's only made sociable posts. Even my Day One posts have had more game-related content than his. But the clearness of his vote belies his claimed drunkenness/hangover.

I wouldn't say that your posts - adjusting for relative count - have had more game-related content than his.

It's certainly an interesting move, reminiscent of old Org culture. Are you eager to call it a "slip"?

[El Barto]

I wouldn't say that your posts - adjusting for relative count - have had more game-related content than his.

I was speaking in overall terms, rather than in content density.

It's certainly an interesting move, reminiscent of old Org culture. Are you eager to call it a "slip"?

A possible slip, right now. :)

[Csargo]

Yes! That was an interesting intervention by him. He had never posted anything related to you or to novice (either to justify lynching you for yourself or as a byproduct of saving novice whom he'd be townreading). He's only made sociable posts. Even my Day One posts have had more game-related content than his. But the clearness of his vote belies his claimed drunkenness/hangover.

Blatant lies itt. I missed this before.

[Csargo]

Isoed Winston still think his posts are townie. He seems to have genuine progression and trying to solve. He had a clear progression on numerous people and Manasi it appears to me. I'd still clear that spot imo, because I don't see anything terribly scummy in the iso.

[El Barto]

She tried to pocket me as well.

Blatant lies itt. I missed this before.

Oh, Monty called me out on my claim that my D1 posts have substance not long after I made that post.

[novice]

Nope.

1. Pizza-novice more important
2. I want Pizza's input.
3. GH should receive the courtesy of being permitted to catch up.

Okay at least he recanted the suggested postponement of the thunderdome.
I can understand the call for a thunderdome too from a townie perspective, although of course scum would love it too. One thing's for sure, scum would prefer Pizza to lose the thunderdome, and go for a 2-for-1.

[Logic]

Okay at least he recanted the suggested postponement of the thunderdome.
I can understand the call for a thunderdome too from a townie perspective, although of course scum would love it too. One thing's for sure, scum would prefer Pizza to lose the thunderdome, and go for a 2-for-1.

Call me grasping at straws, but this rings hollow.

[novice]

Call me grasping at straws, but this rings hollow.

The temptation to resolve Pizza ASAP is a strong one.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Here's Csargo's progression on Monty (with a slice of Monty and myself) from the time I subbed in until now:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Monty thinks scum holstered.

Congrats, you played yourself. 1st townread for Monty all game. That's not a good start.

The first two posts are already problematic. The first post is in response to my asking if there were any leads on there not being a kill on N1, and Csargo volunteered the information saying Monty thought scum holstered without further commentary, which to me implies Csargo has some degree of belief/trust towards that information.

But in the second post, he says my giving a townread of Monty is a bad sign, implying that Csargo is scumreading him. This further continues later on:

You can't count yourself.

Who else townread you?

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The argument withers on the vine until we cut to later on, in which Monty makes an analysis post:

This has been the first game in a while where No Lynch was permitted.

If I holstered a kill, where did the Mafia kill go? Where did your suggested protection go? Maybe you attacked Fredwood and someone protected him? Or as I mentioned, someone was blocked? Jailed? Bulletproof vests? There are many possibilities, and it's interesting which ones you avoid.



Would I really? Tunneling Pizza from D1 is not just a bad idea for Town, it's a good way to get nightkilled whether or not Pizza is scum, and a good way to have Pizza lynch you fast, directly or indirectly. Maybe I was just demoralized by my read: if I immediately scum-read scum last game and couldn't do anything with it, what can I hope to achieve against scum Pizza now?



Auto can't be mostly cleared in event of novice scum with such an early vote, as you know he is prone to leaving votes like that even if it puts partners at risk without him around to change it; you did the same at least once. BSmith should be nuller. GH lynch should be sooner. DP may be a bit lower, Csargo considerably so. I should be town overall. Otherwise endorse these leans.



It does strike me that novice has made more snipes than connections.
As an aside, since novice's vote onto Csargo, third on wagon, precipitated the final EOD flurry, who would you say he was trying to save? You liked Barto there, and shouldn't be Csargo unless superbussing to save yet another partner, and Jowy flipped town - so what was novice doing? Your logical conclusion would be that Sooh is novice's partner and he moved to sve her, right? And since you mentioned Champ crossposting Barto for both voting Jowy, your alternative in case of novice town would be that Chamop was trying to save partner Csargo, right? A lot of your D1 activity analysis rides on the assumption that Csargo is town. So I'm willing to see clarification by lynching novice. And the case is neat, I guess.

Let's see who you really are, Pizza.

Vote: novice

(Note that vote may be subject to change onto Pizza at any time or administrator's discretion.)

Only people today I will consider voting: Novice Pizza GH, also several others (!)

It's a decent post, but certainly in Monty's scum range, and nothing that I'd consider alignment-indicative without having read. However, Csargo apparently considers it enough to treat it as worth him doing a full 180 on Monty:

I like Monty's post. Feels good.

He clarifies this later on to me.

I really want to vote GH at this point, which conflicts with my gutread of Champ, conundrum.

Why? Have my myriad contributions since I subbed in been scummy enough to get you to reverse course? IIRC the only thing that didn't sit well with you was my townread of Monty - so why not vote Monty instead?

Also I'm probably just going to catch up over the night phase, but I'll try to get in the current flow of things in the meantime.

This is also concerning.

Conclusion: Csargo's progressions on Monty are all over the map and have some pretty shaky jumps. I don't see them coming from town.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It's also worth noting that despite Csargo's jumpy progression on Monty, his stance on me remains rock solid, despite the majority of my time in the thread being engaging with Monty - so you think that would change a bit.

[Montmorency]

It's also worth noting that despite Csargo's jumpy progression on Monty, his stance on me remains rock solid, despite the majority of my time in the thread being engaging with Monty - so you think that would change a bit.

Go ahead and read some of D1 now. Pizza describes Csargo in this game as "turbocharged", and as having either his best town game of all time, or his best scum game of all time.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Go ahead and read some of D1 now. Pizza describes Csargo in this game as "turbocharged", and as having either his best town game of all time, or his best scum game of all time.

I'm not going to read any of the game until the night phase, assuming I live that long. That's just something people are going to have to deal with. What's your actual stance on what I just laid out?

[Logic]

I'm not going to read any of the game until the night phase, assuming I live that long. That's just something people are going to have to deal with. What's your actual stance on what I just laid out?

Now THIS i find a tad on the scummy side.

Why intentionally deprive yourself of information? If you are indeed town, that is all you have to work with. But a scum could easily get a summary from the wolf-chat, and be able to faux-try and point to a post like yours in the event any errors have been made.

Monty, I agree that GH is looking very suspicious.