XCOM Mafia [Concluded]

[Dp101]

Currently, I'm of two minds about the whole Novice situation. On one hand, I worry that the whole Novice/Pizza fight was V/V, and most of Novice's posts ring true to me. On the other hand, Novice has pocketed me successfully in games earlier (who hasn't), and the EoD was active to the point which I feel that scum must have been showing up to save their own. Everything just feels really wifom to me right now, and I don't know why, because nothing that has happened has been inherently wifom. I guess I've just been burned by giving in to paranoia so recently that I don't feel that doing so again is worthwhile, but then again I have been spectacularly wrong on Novice before, but what's the point of even playing if I just disbelieve my own thoughts and don't follow through with them. I don't know anything.

[Cuthillius]

Currently, I'm of two minds about the whole Novice situation. On one hand, I worry that the whole Novice/Pizza fight was V/V, and most of Novice's posts ring true to me. On the other hand, Novice has pocketed me successfully in games earlier (who hasn't), and the EoD was active to the point which I feel that scum must have been showing up to save their own. Everything just feels really wifom to me right now, and I don't know why, because nothing that has happened has been inherently wifom. I guess I've just been burned by giving in to paranoia so recently that I don't feel that doing so again is worthwhile, but then again I have been spectacularly wrong on Novice before, but what's the point of even playing if I just disbelieve my own thoughts and don't follow through with them. I don't know anything.

csargo

this is town

fite me if you think this is ever not town

[Askthepizzaguy]

Destroy Manasi with fire, destroy BSmith with fire, destroy novice with fire.

Any order.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I take back what I said about taking back what I said about Bsmith being lazy.

He's just a wolf.

Sooh now significantly less wolfy than Manasi and I figured one was inside of them. Lynch one is a wolf, resolves the other town.

Here's how you can tell Novice is a wolf, if you blatantly ignore what I said before:

Novice: Normal
Novice: dip dip dip
Novice: ain't got much to say

That's wolfy.

[Sooh]

Sooh now significantly less wolfy than Manasi and I figured one was inside of them. Lynch one is a wolf, resolves the other town.

I don't get why one HAS TO be inside one of us. Also don't get how this call was made early D1. It's not like I'm a great Manasi reader by any stretch of imagination, nor do I think she has played enough with me to know when I'm a wolf so easily. I mean, I believe her to be a wolf this game based on stuff later in the game mainly, but you declared this on D1.

I'd like to lynch Manasi today btw. If that wasn't clear already.

[Csargo]

I don't get why one HAS TO be inside one of us. Also don't get how this call was made early D1. It's not like I'm a great Manasi reader by any stretch of imagination, nor do I think she has played enough with me to know when I'm a wolf so easily. I mean, I believe her to be a wolf this game based on stuff later in the game mainly, but you declared this on D1.

I'd like to lynch Manasi today btw. If that wasn't clear already.

Just like every other day...

[Sooh]

Just like every other day...

Tunnel of death.

[Logic]

I figured I would do 2 easy ISOs, since I have limited time:

The ISO of Bsmith is rather quick: he has 5 posts total. I understand leaving over the weekend and taking some time to get caught up, but here is everything he has to say, with two relevant posts from Csargo in the middle.

Random Gods tell me to vote: Sooh though I am tempted to vote for one of the no lynchers.

Yeah. Sorry about lurking today. I'm on vacation through this weekend so things are a little off. That and I am never that talkative let alone on D1 when there really isn't much solid to go on other than tone and meta analysis, which absent gross incompetence usually isn't indicative. Most of my time is just going to keeping up. But at least the noise ratio is lower this game than other recent D1s. Don't expect much from me the next couple of days.

I've been in the car the past two days and have a ton of catching up to do. Can anyone give me the Cliff's Notes version of D2 so far?

Cuth, Dp going after pizza. Pizza going after novice with a side of Logic. idk what else.

Also, GH in the game now.

Thanks Caargo. Trying to catch up but afternoon is filled with unpacking, etc. I will get a vote in before EoD.

Mostly caught up, I'll admit I skimmed a lot so some of the finer nuance may be lost on me. I'm going to go with vote: pizza here. I frankly find Cuth's logic and counter to pizza's push much more convincing and the fact that pizza has been ignoring it tips the scales for me.

D1 is just a random vote with an explanation of why he will be gone. Not indicative of alignment.

D2 he reiterates his absence, thanks Csargo for a summary, and then votes Pizza after believing Cuthillius over Pizza.

Overall, I give Bsmith a null, with a slight wolf lean. I don't think his little bit implicates anyone else, but I find it unlikely that he would talk to his teammates with only 5 posts, so if Bsmith is a wolf, I give Cuth and Csargo slightly better town leans.

Auto has made 2 posts:

Multicultural? We are a multi-species community, not merely a multicultural community. You must be XCOM :P !

Vote:Novice

I'm back, read the all of D1 and first half of D2 then skimmed to the end. A few quick takes before I run to work:

Champ saving csargo and GH voting csargo after replacing Champ suggests GH/csargo not buddies.

I was leaning town for Novice before wagons, and still do. Accordingly, we should look in both wagons:

Vote:Dp101 is my first take in the pizza wagon, with Fred not far behind
Monty and csargo are my quicktake scum leans in the Novice wagon.

Be back for a little bit in about four hours.

Now auto I don't get, but it's probably because he has so little to say. Why is he voting Dp101? I don't think DP is by any means cleared, but if auto is caught up as he claims, he should know that people are likely to take this day to vote for either Manasi or novice, so why start out off-wagon?

[novice]

Here's how you can tell Novice is a wolf, if you blatantly ignore what I said before:

Novice: Normal
Novice: dip dip dip
Novice: ain't got much to say

That's wolfy.

So now my day one was normal? Ever heard of confirmation bias?

I can't compete with your frenzy, Pizza. And frankly, being tunneled by a dead wrong townie (literally) with superior debating skills does not help.

[novice]

I can't compete with your frenzy, Pizza. And frankly, being tunneled by a dead wrong townie (literally) with superior debating skills does not help.

After actually reading through that frenzy I see you intend to give me space, so thanks for that.

[BSmith]

My vote on Pizza certainly looks bad given he turned out town, but I would do it again given the info that I had at the time. I have seen time and again Pizza pushing an agenda where he cherry picks things people have said and makes a very compelling case against said person, while minimizing or ignoring the points that don’t fit his agenda. I think Cuth had some extremely valid counters to the case that Pizza was pushing on Novice that frankly Pizza didn’t want to hear and didn’t address at all. It fit the Pizza-agenda-pushing pattern exactly which is why I voted for him.

[BSmith]

Cuth - did you poison anyone last night?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Gonna have to reiterate why you don't lynch about 10 other people today and please listen to me this time.

Some of you folks, I <3 u, but you're just not getting it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Askthepizzaguy- Because I'm never a wolf and scums lynched me.
autolycus- If Novice is scum, this slot is likely a townie, and he's a shitty low-info lynch regardless. Lynch for partner analysis, not lurker punishment.
Csargo- Because he's town.
Cuthillius- Because he's town.
Dp101- Because he's been trending up but he's still not lock.
El Barto- Maybe he shouldn't be this high. But his slot looks astounding if my scums are correct.
GeneralHankerchief- if he doesn't die by final 3/4 lynch here. Not until, for mechanical reasons.
Logic- Because he tried to help me lynch novice. Plus he's way more pure than everyone below this line.
Montmorency- I almost have an actual town read on this guy. That's astounding.
Winston Hughes- Has townie thoughts I can quote for you. He's good, otherwise he'd be higher.
Sooh- resolve Manasi first. If she's scum, Sooh gets a reprieve.

I can go in-depth on most of these, but I already did. If you need a refresher ping me and I'll go find it for you, but if I post info in wall form it's not gonna be read apparently.


You only ever lynch below this line today:

Fredwood- starting tomorrow he can be considered again if and only if novice was town. If novice is scum, don't lynch here until super late game.

If someone mechanically clears themselves in my wolf pile, think about him but I dunno too many town indicators.

really only mentioning him because of the 4 wolf probs.

........

long way down.

.......

novice<----still my top scumbag and he always dies this game barring a miracle, but you need to examine these two
BSmith<----This one
Manasi<----This one

If I am here at all, that means to me that there are four scums likely in the setup, not three.

So start preparing for such a possibility.

Tinfoils on my town core welcome, votes not.

[Sooh]

Sooh- resolve Manasi first. If she's scum, Sooh gets a reprieve.

And if not?

[novice]

I'll offer some observations at my own pace later.

[El Barto]

The reads here! (I apply the same colour code as before)

Askthepizzaguy- Because I'm never a wolf and scums lynched me.
autolycus- If Novice is scum, this slot is likely a townie, and he's a shitty low-info lynch regardless. Lynch for partner analysis, not lurker punishment.
Csargo- Because he's town.
Cuthillius- Because he's town.
Dp101- Because he's been trending up but he's still not lock.
El Barto- Maybe he shouldn't be this high. But his slot looks astounding if my scums are correct.
GeneralHankerchief- if he doesn't die by final 3/4 lynch here. Not until, for mechanical reasons.
Logic- Because he tried to help me lynch novice. Plus he's way more pure than everyone below this line.
Montmorency- I almost have an actual town read on this guy. That's astounding.
Winston Hughes- Has townie thoughts I can quote for you. He's good, otherwise he'd be higher.
Sooh- resolve Manasi first. If she's scum, Sooh gets a reprieve.

I can go in-depth on most of these, but I already did. If you need a refresher ping me and I'll go find it for you, but if I post info in wall form it's not gonna be read apparently.


You only ever lynch below this line today:

Fredwood- starting tomorrow he can be considered again if and only if novice was town. If novice is scum, don't lynch here until super late game.

If someone mechanically clears themselves in my wolf pile, think about him but I dunno too many town indicators.

really only mentioning him because of the 4 wolf probs.

........

long way down.

.......

novice<----still my top scumbag and he always dies this game barring a miracle, but you need to examine these two
BSmith<----This one
Manasi<----This one

If I am here at all, that means to me that there are four scums likely in the setup, not three.

So start preparing for such a possibility.

Tinfoils on my town core welcome, votes not.

[Dp101]

Feels so weird, seeing the scum to actually be the people who weren't that towny. It seems like every single game I play, the scum ends up being the masterminds at the top of the readslists, rather than just falling down. It's gotten so bad inside my head that I constantly feel I could flip my read on literally everyone, and that isn't helpful. My town game is a mess these days, send help.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Askthepizzaguy's Day One:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Askthepizzaguy's Day Two:

I found this tally interesting in my re-reading. I stopped and looked for potential partner exclusions.

Official Tally as of #593

2 Champ (crimson_snow, Jowy)
2 Csargo (Dp101, novice) <------------
2 El Barto (Fredwood, Sooh)
2 Jowy (Askthepizzaguy, Csargo)
2 Montmorency (Logic, Cuthillius)
2 Sooh (BSmith, Manasi) <------------

1 Askthepizzaguy (Montmorency)
1 Dp101 (El Barto)
1 Logic (Winston Hughes) <------------
1 Manasi (Champ)
1 novice (autolycus) <------------

One of Auto and novice can be scum, would not anticipate both. Not even saying I'm leaning that way, just noting it's not a couple probably.
Csargo and novice are not a couple, I don't think. Not really thinking that was a strong possibility anyway.
Auto probably not scum with Novice.
Winston and Logic low odds of being a scum team.
Manasi scum might clear someone, but she was never under serious pressure.

A bad day ended by a bad vote.

Other than Jowy's alignment being town, what was bad about day one?

I'll even make it a softball question. I think it would be a scummy narrative to call day one bad. Or be at all unenthusiastic about the game state.

No death last night is great, and the actual information that can be gleaned by the tally for much of the round is extremely useful for pairing analysis.

And I have a lot more townies than I did at end of day 1 than start of day 1.

The narrative that day one was bad, is wolfy as hell.

Forgive them Pizza, for they know not what they do.

Tl;dr:

Fredwood is not lock town, but has successfully and ably cleared the hurdle, and has cleared the hurdle by more than the minimum.

Fred, if you want me to lock you town, I need more. Make this your second chance at Champs glory, if you feel like investing that much.

Next scummy in line:

Vote: Novice

I will roomba the ever living fudgsicles out of this game if people keep engaging.

I feel specifically pocketed by Manasi.

I cannot tell if it's because she's scum or if because she's just easily read me town and is also town. It's a bother.

[wall]

That's Novice's day 2.

He should not get a day 3.

Teal deer summary for the wall-impaired

1) Terrible opening flurry for reasons stated above.

2) Parrots many people's reasoning so he can hang in the background in plain sight, not be responsible for other people's pushes while supporting them.

3) Buddying

4) Awful process arriving at his "top town read" Jowy for utterly generic reasons, a townread which he then doesn't defend, but helps me attack.

5) Vote Csargo, peace out, using Cuth's justification.

6) Nothing at all townie about him found.

I think the 1/4 effort as opposed to champs is accurate, if not completely correct by the percentages. I was tryharding in champs and I'm more casual now, when I nomad I experiment more and try to learn things from the experience. On top of that everyone in champs was in the same boat I was.

Snap impression of my wall on novice?

I'm about to call for a Megazord comprised of myself, Barto, Autolycus, and Csargo. I have no idea how many power rangers there are and I had to look up what the term was for the Megazord, but if you wanna be number five let's do this thing.

Monty can be the purple one.

Also why Auto?

Because autolynchus voted a scum in 100 percent of his posts so far, making him the best townie in the game.

Askthepizzaguy- 100
Csargo- 80
Dp101- 60
crimson_snow- 70
Cuthillius- 60
El Barto- 50
Fredwood- 60
Winston- 55
Autolycus- 80 on Novice scum flip
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Monty (Leaning not scum)
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Manasi (one of Sooh and Manasi, I think)
Sooh (see above)
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Logic best of the remaining 4
Champ/GH- give space. Lynch at final 3 if alive.
Bsmith- Too lazy for a town read.
Novice- Too scummy to be town.

Cuth-y reasoning, for sure.

I think we can stop here.

Cuth just town this game. His process is Cuthy and he's not finding scum pizza this game, as much as he'd like to. That's a nice get if it ever happens.

Sorry to disappoint, Coof.

#lolCuth

Monty behavior.

Neut or Monty townie. Monty is his own alignment, and can live in a town made of tinfoil.

Scum monty? I don't know how his behavior matches a scum game. Maybe it's that bizarre but I don't think so.

Something you gotta know about Autolycus is that the first vote he places in any round is often his last.

Novice scum is an Auto town read, solid.

I have to stay alive if third party, neut, or survivor.

This is my town machismo unless I had guaranteed night protection. I still randed town though.

If you mislynch, do not mislynch inside my town core.

Don't lynch Auto today. Pretty sure he gets clear with a novice flip.

1:35am

burned out pizza.

LolCuth

Vote stays on Novice the obvious scumbag.

Good night all!

#lolCuth

So either cuth's lying or poisoning doesn't give a message. Leaning toward the latter since his behavior all game has been excellent enough to clear him.

But still lolCuth.

#lolCuth

When I am lynched

You
Will
Look
At
My
Posts
And
Consider
Their
Merit.

I honestly couldn't have had a townier game unless I spent 20 straight hours at it like champs.

My body is ready for a silly lynch though. At least I get to shake Jowy's hand in dead chat and apologize to him.

Forgive them Pizza, for they know not what they do.

because if bp town that means low chance of doc

that also means either someone would have had to use some sort of poison neutralizer on you

or ???

I want that novice death.

Upon my death, I am ordering you to kill Novice with the fires of a thousand suns as penance for your failure.

Or you can watch him win the game as scum, it's your call.

So, you will only consider your top 3, plus unnamed others? What gives? This sounds like a non-commital to me.

Logic here is a good example.

You can't fake this.

I <3 you logic, please don't be mad at me for being my example.

i respect your reads, crimson, but I'd rather you put me up against novice so I have a chance of lynching him.

That said, Manasi/Sooh needs to be resolved so I don't hate a Manasi lynch.

I'm retreading a bit.

Contemplating who should be higher on my V list.

Don't you think novice is playing like he did in Pokémon

No

I think he's a gigantic hit you over the head gigantic big ball of scum that needs to die in the worst possible way as soon as possible

He's the only obvious mafia read I've gotten, and it's been building since the start.

He gotta die, NOW.

Lol what the fuck is this

You've been skipping my posts this phase.

I laid out my reasoning on you. I lean town on you more than Sooh, but think there's a fair chance.

I had tons of problems town-clearing you this game.

If you pocketed me, which can happen, it'd be nice that you died.

If not, lynch novice.

Official Tally as of #1341

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Day 2 ends in:

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5 novice (Askthepizzaguy, Logic, Montmorency, El Barto, Csargo)

4 Askthepizzaguy (Cuthillius, Dp101, BSmith, Fredwood)
4 Manasi (Sooh, novice, Winston Hughes, crimson_snow)

1 Csargo (GeneralHankerchief)
1 El Barto (Csargo)
1 Sooh (Manasi)

That's bullshit though. They're perfectly capable (and I think likely) of both being town.

I gotta have my dead scum novice.

good thing you ignored my walls telling you why not

Sorry I'm a baller and you're not.

#lolCuth

6 Askthepizzaguy (Cuthillius, Dp101, BSmith, Fredwood, novice, Manasi)
6 novice (Askthepizzaguy, Logic, Montmorency, El Barto, Csargo, crimson_snow)

3 Manasi (Sooh, novice, Winston Hughes)

1 Csargo (GeneralHankerchief)
1 El Barto (Csargo)

Get off of Pizza, he bleeds town.

If it rands on novice and he dies and is scum, I am the goatest goat that ever goated.

He was town!

But on the third day.... He is risen.

Why.

He like 300+ posted in a half dead game, he was possibly poisoned and would die in the night, and he just radiated town who cared. That lynch was worse than any I saw in the championship series.

Yes. Any.

Forgive them Pizza, for they know not what they do.

By the light and grace of LordHankerchief....

I'm reheating pizza right now.

Destroy Manasi with fire, destroy BSmith with fire, destroy novice with fire.

Any order.

I take back what I said about taking back what I said about Bsmith being lazy.

He's just a wolf.

Here's how you can tell Novice is a wolf, if you blatantly ignore what I said before:

Novice: Normal
Novice: dip dip dip
Novice: ain't got much to say

That's wolfy.

Askthepizzaguy- Because I'm never a wolf and scums lynched me.
autolycus- If Novice is scum, this slot is likely a townie, and he's a shitty low-info lynch regardless. Lynch for partner analysis, not lurker punishment.
Csargo- Because he's town.
Cuthillius- Because he's town.
Dp101- Because he's been trending up but he's still not lock.
El Barto- Maybe he shouldn't be this high. But his slot looks astounding if my scums are correct.
GeneralHankerchief- if he doesn't die by final 3/4 lynch here. Not until, for mechanical reasons.
Logic- Because he tried to help me lynch novice. Plus he's way more pure than everyone below this line.
Montmorency- I almost have an actual town read on this guy. That's astounding.
Winston Hughes- Has townie thoughts I can quote for you. He's good, otherwise he'd be higher.
Sooh- resolve Manasi first. If she's scum, Sooh gets a reprieve.
I can go in-depth on most of these, but I already did. If you need a refresher ping me and I'll go find it for you, but if I post info in wall form it's not gonna be read apparently.


You only ever lynch below this line today:

Fredwood- starting tomorrow he can be considered again if and only if novice was town. If novice is scum, don't lynch here until super late game.

If someone mechanically clears themselves in my wolf pile, think about him but I dunno too many town indicators.

really only mentioning him because of the 4 wolf probs.

........

long way down.

.......

novice <----still my top scumbag and he always dies this game barring a miracle, but you need to examine these two
BSmith <----This one
Manasi <----This one

If I am here at all, that means to me that there are four scums likely in the setup, not three. So start preparing for such a possibility.

Tinfoils on my town core welcome, votes not.

#Thereadslistofasupersaiyan

atpg needs a world religion founded in his name

*** EVENT ***

Askthepizzaguy collapses to the floor where he stands, rejoining the the dead.

Wait, what? WHAT!?!??!

I AM THE GOATEST GOAT The greatest goat, the purest goat

I am become BUTTERMILK, destroyer of scums!

I do trick jumps off of wolves with the wimmest of wim!

#Iambecomebuttermilk

*throws all my toys out of the pram*

I said don't lynch Autolycus on Novice scum fliiiiiiiiiiiip
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Logic can't fake himself this game
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Csargo not scum best town game ever
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Cuth lock town as I said
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Like, despite everything, I still have 6 people higher on the POE than Winston alive

Follow my list, I'd even forgive a fredwood lynch here as long as Winston is next.

Forgive them Pizza, for they know not what they do.

Winston is this scum team's chance at ultimate glory, and no one has a specifically scum read on him.

Winston too dangerous.

#Winstontoostrong

End of Day 5.

Logic was killed by the unruly mob.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

He was town!

Logic I tried to help. *hugs*

Next game when I suck you gotta ignore me tho.

Only sheep me when I know what I'm talking about.

[Askthepizzaguy]

gg wp scum team

gg wp townie frands

Thanks a million for hosting Zack

Thanks GH for the sub and the goatsurrection.

Thanks Walrein and Nippleman for subbing in, the game would have been literally broken unless you did. Elite late game subs.

Well earned victory scums, hard fought town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I mean, you can ask me questions and stuff but my presence is a distraction. I'm not trying to be a dick and go "hurr hurr I'm too good to be spoken to"

Pretend I am still dead, is what I'm saying. It's good for the game.

It's bad when the discussion is follow the cop or follow the mason, neither of which are role claims, just analogies.

Town solves the game by suspects talking, not non-suspects.

That is all from me for now.

Glgl

[Csargo]

csargo

this is town

fite me if you think this is ever not town

Yeah, i thought Dp101's post EoD was good, I feel better about him currently.

[Csargo]

Askthepizzaguy - super town duh
autolycus - meh
BSmith - scummy
Csargo - super town
Cuthillius - slight town
Dp101 - kinda town
El Barto - gutread kinda scummy?
Fredwood - null/slight town
GeneralHankerchief - returned pizza, prolly town
Logic - kinda scummy
Manasi - scummy
Montmorency - null/kinda town
novice - scummy
Sooh - kinda town
Winston Hughes - town

These are my vague thoughts before I have to go to work. GH/Barto are up in the air imo, I don't feel great about those. Logic/BSmith also sort of idk, need to look at Logic's iso again. BSmith is meh.