Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

yes


who do you want to lynch rn?



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when I was a wolf with him, literally all he would do is pop in, complain the number of posts, do nothing useful, and leave. Sound familiar?

I don't feel any urgency to lynch right now, since half the day is ahead and a number of nulls like Choxorn, Cuth, Barto, and Xiahou remain to sort out. The case against Logic is relatively good for D1, and we need to see him respond against all those nulls. Right now I'm fine continuing to vote you.

Re Manasi: I mean that she would be putting out observations or prods toward her teammates, and she doesn't seem to be observing or prodding much of anyone so far, other than joking with you as usual.

Re: Barto, yes, and he never broke out of it and got lynched. So? That took 2 or 3 days to fill out.

[Zack]

I don't feel any urgency to lynch right now, since half the day is ahead and a number of nulls like Choxorn, Cuth, Barto, and Xiahou remain to sort out. The case against Logic is relatively good for D1, and we need to see him respond against all those nulls. Right now I'm fine continuing to vote you.

Re Manasi: I mean that she would be putting out observations or prods toward her teammates, and she doesn't seem to be observing or prodding much of anyone so far, other than joking with you as usual.

Re: Barto, yes, and he never broke out of it and got lynched. So? That took 2 or 3 days to fill out.

The way you are treating logic and barto is contradictory?

I don't really agree with your meta-reasoning on manasi, or your description of her so far. Her second post of the game i think had a few observatiosn.

[Montmorency]

The way you are treating logic and barto is contradictory?

I don't really agree with your meta-reasoning on manasi, or your description of her so far. Her second post of the game i think had a few observatiosn.

I pointed out that this would have been a proper misgiving earlier on, but Pizza's pressure has been relentless and Logic hasn't kept up on his second set. Barto just began his first set. The point right now is that Logic is a decent candidate, not that he absolutely must be hammered now.

[Montmorency]

@Dp101, what do you think between Manasi, Barto, and Logic? Of course I tried to keep you and the latter two from tearing at each other's throats, but in the end you and Barto (and the rest) POEd Logic.

Is Logic now acting like Logic the round before his lynch then, or is it different conforming to Pizza's observations?

[Dp101]

@Dp101, what do you think between Manasi, Barto, and Logic? Of course I tried to keep you and the latter two from tearing at each other's throats, but in the end you and Barto (and the rest) POEd Logic.

Is Logic now acting like Logic the round before his lynch then, or is it different conforming to Pizza's observations?

Firstly, I wouldn’t exactly describe my r actions towards logic and Barto tearing st their throats, but anyway, I feel that out of those 3, the lynch order should be Logic > Barto > Manasi, with manasi basically being my null benchmark at this point. Barto’s outright refusal to read the thread feels like a new level of anti-town behaviour from him, and I’m starting to agree with Pizza on Logic. However, I want to emphasise here that I am not entirely sure how to read logic, and so my vote is more sheeping than anything else. Could you elaborate as to what you mean by “Logic the round before his lynch”? Are you referring to a past game here? Or do you think logic is playling like this because he thinks he is going to get lynched? I really can’t parse your statement.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Firstly, I wouldn’t exactly describe my r actions towards logic and Barto tearing st their throats, but anyway, I feel that out of those 3, the lynch order should be Logic > Barto > Manasi, with manasi basically being my null benchmark at this point. Barto’s outright refusal to read the thread feels like a new level of anti-town behaviour from him, and I’m starting to agree with Pizza on Logic. However, I want to emphasise here that I am not entirely sure how to read logic, and so my vote is more sheeping than anything else. Could you elaborate as to what you mean by “Logic the round before his lynch”? Are you referring to a past game here? Or do you think logic is playling like this because he thinks he is going to get lynched? I really can’t parse your statement.

Logic is straightforward. He can't hide in plain sight when he's a town power role, he just kind of vanishes. He has real thoughts as town that people sometimes dismiss for being too A ---> B, and as scum he's just kinda... like this. Not confident enough to battle, more liable to undercut or smudge, passive aggressive stuff. No depth, generic posts, catchable under pressure.

I don't think he can break out of this pattern since he's been at this for years. Logic is who he is. He needs someone who knows how to read him when he's town otherwise he's mislynch bait. He can hide under the radar if you don't push him as scum. He tenses up when he's got a town pr or scum role.

[Dp101]

Logic is straightforward. He can't hide in plain sight when he's a town power role, he just kind of vanishes. He has real thoughts as town that people sometimes dismiss for being too A ---> B, and as scum he's just kinda... like this. Not confident enough to battle, more liable to undercut or smudge, passive aggressive stuff. No depth, generic posts, catchable under pressure.

I don't think he can break out of this pattern since he's been at this for years. Logic is who he is. He needs someone who knows how to read him when he's town otherwise he's mislynch bait. He can hide under the radar if you don't push him as scum. He tenses up when he's got a town pr or scum role.

So what about his play makes him not just a town PR? The vanishing from the thread your describe seems to categorise his play this game fairly well, and personally, that’s been a far larger element of his play than any slips early game. Maybe I should reread the start.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So what about his play makes him not just a town PR? The vanishing from the thread your describe seems to categorise his play this game fairly well, and personally, that’s been a far larger element of his play than any slips early game. Maybe I should reread the start.

Passive aggressive. If he were hiding, he wouldn't be undercutting or even solving.

His intent is malevolent here, not hiding.

He would find someone who won't push back and vote them, and then not post.

[Zack]

Logic is straightforward. He can't hide in plain sight when he's a town power role, he just kind of vanishes. He has real thoughts as town that people sometimes dismiss for being too A ---> B, and as scum he's just kinda... like this. Not confident enough to battle, more liable to undercut or smudge, passive aggressive stuff. No depth, generic posts, catchable under pressure.

I don't think he can break out of this pattern since he's been at this for years. Logic is who he is. He needs someone who knows how to read him when he's town otherwise he's mislynch bait. He can hide under the radar if you don't push him as scum. He tenses up when he's got a town pr or scum role.

I'm confused, logic has only played a few games here

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm confused, logic has only played a few games here

I played often with him on his home board.

Style is exactly the same and he's a long time player there.

[Fredwood]

I guess the first 72 hours are going to be boring until we keep repeating ourselves about how we're going to lynch Logic, I don't think I've ever seen such a consensus Day 1.

Bart's entrance was sloppy, but I don't think as sloppy as Rein's.

Otherwise I caught up and most of it was Pizza's spam posts, the only other thing is I think I put Slaan solidly at the top of my Town pile. Zack hasn't looked as strong during this catchup, but a part of that may be him just being frustrated and bickering with Pizza and Bart. His assessment of Bart's meta is interesting.


I will address the CSargo thing, I wasn't using his last game as a baseline for his read, I was referring specifically to how he defended himself. His responses to pressure have literally been "cool" or a version of "you got me". In that game whenever it came up Csargo is scum he was more playful and snarky. I'm not talking about his activity, or content outside of his reaction to pressure, which I think it's fair to think for it to be consistent no matter the situation. Still in the end I said I didn't think it was a fair baseline for comparison anyway, so DON'T LECTURE ME.

[Montmorency]

Firstly, I wouldn’t exactly describe my r actions towards logic and Barto tearing st their throats, but anyway, I feel that out of those 3, the lynch order should be Logic > Barto > Manasi, with manasi basically being my null benchmark at this point. Barto’s outright refusal to read the thread feels like a new level of anti-town behaviour from him, and I’m starting to agree with Pizza on Logic. However, I want to emphasise here that I am not entirely sure how to read logic, and so my vote is more sheeping than anything else. Could you elaborate as to what you mean by “Logic the round before his lynch”? Are you referring to a past game here? Or do you think logic is playling like this because he thinks he is going to get lynched? I really can’t parse your statement.

I mentioned that in the two games he was town for a length of time, Pokemon and XCOM, he opened with a more confident and independent style, but over time lost confidence up to the point he was lynched in the endgame. Setting aside those specific endgame conditions of frustration and paranoia, I was wondering if Logic looked to you very different from opening-game town Logic, which means lean scum, or if he reminds you of something in end-game town Logic, which potentially means town Logic fumbling the entrance to this game.

This questions goes for Csargo and Barto as well, I guess. You were the XCOM endgame Big Three.

We'll see with Barto. Another interpretation is, he's making friends with the new people.

[Montmorency]

Because at the time when I did my analysis clearing Logic that game, it was more on the basis of POE than gamecourse content or tone.