Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[El Barto]

You're both not playing on my team. That's about it. Also you're both missing joie de vivre. I can't speak French but the guy I'm roleplaying can on occasion, so now I have that power.

If you want, you can play like a French player and surrender now. I won't hold it against you. Black resigns, with advantage, exclam! Computer even recommends resigns.

You can always wait until the other side makes a blunder.

For my part, I can understand the language of my character, but with me that's not exactly indicative, is it?

[reinoe]

A quick read tells me you both post in the same font. Tomorrow I should be able to give you more.

lol

UNVOTE: ZACK

VOTE: EL BARTO

[Askthepizzaguy]

ok, I can see what you're saying about kage, makes me feel a lot better about him. I vaguely remember some game where Pizza caught him d1, then screamed about it the whole game after that ... ? @Askthepizzaguy do you remember what game this was? I don't think there were flips if that helps, might have been vanilla~ish.

disagree on the others. slaan seems fine, maybe he's a good wolf but not worth pursuing this early based on just paranoia. In my experience, having low thread involvement is not alignment-indicate for fred and fairly typical

During re-read I caught this. Sorry for not responding initially.

This was the Animus game, something Beskar hosted based off of Assassin's Creed I believe. I had him dead to rights. He was catchable early that game. His scum game and town game are both good but like anyone he's got some bad games.

[Askthepizzaguy]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...mus-In-Session

Pretty sure this is what you were thinkin of.

[Askthepizzaguy]

OMG that was the game where I decided that Kagemusha was guilty.... of being sexy!

That's the origin of the sexy Kagemusha thing. I've been saying it to him every year and in basically every game since.

Ravishing, that man was. Sometimes the scummiest people are the ones you love.

[Zack]

You kinda already answered the implied question by calling kage town

Is that behavior based out just voting with you based?

[Askthepizzaguy]

lol

UNVOTE: ZACK

VOTE: EL BARTO

reinoe votes EB Double exclam!!

[Dp101]

lol

UNVOTE: ZACK

VOTE: EL BARTO

I like you far more today than yesterday.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Zack

Another one who cant understand what true strategy is.Truly illogical! Unvote and Vote: Logic . Though i will get you for your slander Slaan, sooner rather then later!

Change from rvs vote to real vote based on seemingly real suspicion as indicated in the forthcoming posts:

At least it got you to talk and Logic to vote. Is there something else we can do at the moment? Get people to talk and start drawing lines into thin air in order to find associations later? In the past Ive tried to play old style as town only observing at the start and got myself mis lynched enough times for lurking. So her i am talking. Lets talk.

This is what I know of Kagemusha's old town process. It is very Org from like 3 years ago, very rvs but intending to get the game rolling based off of that, as opposed to their being joke votes. The votes are random and paired with jokes but intended to put random pressure and hopefully hit a scum, limit the length of time of unserious votes and unproductive talk. This matches all of his process for a serious, non-tiny game where he's not playing very casually.

I only know the style of few people playing. This morning when i went to through the thread, mostly it is just nonsense. Csargo seems like Csargo. So does GH. Pizza seems to be claiming some sort of ultimate knowledge which is completely normal for him. Choxorn drops by and does the minimum and you and Manasi seem to have some sort of sweet talking going on, which i think i recall also from earlier games. DP seems like he is on the verge of meltdown when it comes to mafia, which i can relate to quite well. I could not get any reaction from Slaan with my vote, which is too early for me to analyze. Logic seemed to be eager to react to my sudden activity, but thats about it. What have you observed so far? It would be lot easier to read it through one post then from myriad of posts.

Lot of depth here. Kagemusha doesn't clear the hurdle when asked, he soars over it. That always gets you some town points.

And where does the thought of Slaan not being a wolf stems from? Do you know him from other games/forums or what are you basing on that assumption?

Solving and pointed. I think Logic is in an uncomfortable position and can't really justify his Slaan read. So he made an oops here and Kage is all over it.

Do not worry. I run a company for a living, not a graphic designer per se. Hopefully you turn out to be at least as good mafia player as i am a forum skin maker. Welcome to the Org.

Cant get any scummyness out of you but i have to wonder how come Logic does not want to talk about why he thinks you are not scum. Maybe he doesnt like to to become too involved in the thread?

Vote for Slaan was not based on the game but was intended to put pressure there. Kage didn't find anything scummy about Slaan yet, and did see something odd about Logic. His votes, reasons, questions, and process is all in the green zone.

Can he fake this? Sure, he's under no pressure and he's one of the all time oldie greats at being a scum. Think he doesn't necessarily make a blunder I can see yet.

But, he's also town-telling enough to be put into town consideration, serious consideration.

It's only not higher because it can be hiding in a good defensible spot. I can't lock it in yet. Still I like what I see.

[El Barto]

lol

UNVOTE: ZACK

VOTE: EL BARTO

You're just voting for an easy target.

Someone always bites, sheesh.

See you tomorrow.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I read his iso. To me, it looks more like a townie toeing the waters on a new group of people than someone with hidden information.

By contrast, this is Logic barely clearing a hurdle Kage put in his path.

That lack of depth and generic thought is too thin for him, it doesn't match the earlier comment. "I don't see Slaan as a wolf" is too definitive in my opinion to be paired with the question of why answered by "He looks like a townie in a new group of people".

That's paper thin. As is his entire facade. Lynch Logic today always.

[Montmorency]

what blunder in his opening

he talked about video games

I think your odds of being right are exactly 25%

So you think there are 4 scum and Logic is ~rand?

Honestly, Pizza is close to reprising his XCOM performance. Pizza read Logic very well last game, when he made independent stands and reached out to people (though Logic may have a tendency as town to decline in confidence over time). I can't give any good reasons not to lynch Logic, but Csargo - Pizza, do you remember Jabbz' Sorcery game? Csargo was similarly low-energy and recalcitrant, even continuously under pressure as a POE candidate. Maybe he's just not into it?

This thread has gotten really difficult to read.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

I think Manasi spends a fair amount of time talking about her teammates as scum. She hasn't so far, and a vote on Pizza now is tactically useless. So she's not scum unless the current top candidates are totally wrong - but even then I doubt she fools around this way.

yes

disinterest in figuring things out is a wolf tell of yours

He's only been here a few posts. Rather early to say, which is one legit complaint against Pizza's certainty on Logic, at least earlier on.

I like you far more today than yesterday.

It's a standard reaction to Barto by newcomers, a good sign here because an aggressive no-nonsense character tends to be hostile to Barto at first glance.



Wait a sec, Pizza, you didn't review my wall from a little while back.

[Askthepizzaguy]

He's not a huge talker, but he has actual thoughts he can defend with reasoning, offered freely and specifically, when he's town.

It looks similar but it's the difference between Logic and a cardboard cutout of Logic. Take your picture with him, you won't see him again after today.

[Slaan]

lol

UNVOTE: ZACK

VOTE: EL BARTO

Wait you switch a legit readvote on Zack to a jokevote on Barto?

[Zack]

So you think there are 4 scum and Logic is ~rand?

yes

Honestly, Pizza is close to reprising his XCOM performance. Pizza read Logic very well last game, when he made independent stands and reached out to people (though Logic may have a tendency as town to decline in confidence over time). I can't give any good reasons not to lynch Logic, but Csargo - Pizza, do you remember Jabbz' Sorcery game? Csargo was similarly low-energy and recalcitrant, even continuously under pressure as a POE candidate. Maybe he's just not into it?

who do you want to lynch rn?

I think Manasi spends a fair amount of time talking about her teammates as scum. She hasn't so far, and a vote on Pizza now is tactically useless. So she's not scum unless the current top candidates are totally wrong - but even then I doubt she fools around this way.

???

He's only been here a few posts. Rather early to say, which is one legit complaint against Pizza's certainty on Logic, at least earlier on.

when I was a wolf with him, literally all he would do is pop in, complain the number of posts, do nothing useful, and leave. Sound familiar?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wait a sec, Pizza, you didn't review my wall from a little while back.

I admittedly skimmed it.

I have you in a pseudotown limbo state where I think if I put in the work I'd be able to see why you're townie, but not conclusively because when is it ever conclusive with you, and you're tough that way. And putting in 30-60 minutes on you just to have a kinda town read on you just... feels wasteful.

You post enough where sorting you will be easier after there's a vote record for you. Your tone in either alignment and walls look so similar. You're a very good wolf. I don't think I'll be alive at the point where I'd be able to read you conclusively one way or the other. Truth be told I could have 4 days of solid work from you and I'm not sure.

You're not deviating strongly from where I'd expect you to be. Zack actually has more solving content and even posts than I feel he typically does. That's being said even with the assumption that he can do this as scum and I've seen it happen. I don't think he'll do it every game he rands scum. His style is too easy to replicate with fewer posts. Basically he's putting himself through a big hassle voluntarily, clearing the hurdle and thensome.

Gotta give him town points for WIM but it isn't just that, it can never be just that with Zack. I even think he could be chasing scums now.

My time and energy was just more productively spent elsewhere in that moment, with your wall. I'll go look again now tho.

[Zack]

By contrast, this is Logic barely clearing a hurdle Kage put in his path.

That lack of depth and generic thought is too thin for him, it doesn't match the earlier comment. "I don't see Slaan as a wolf" is too definitive in my opinion to be paired with the question of why answered by "He looks like a townie in a new group of people".

That's paper thin. As is his entire facade. Lynch Logic today always.

That is paper thin.

[Zack]

His style is too easy to replicate with fewer posts.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, do you remember Jabbz' Sorcery game? Csargo was similarly low-energy and recalcitrant, even continuously under pressure as a POE candidate. Maybe he's just not into it?

Yes, with Csargo this can happen. More indicative I think is when and why he's acted, than his overall attitude and tone. But it doesn't help.

I feel like he's miserable, but I could be wrong about that. He also can simply be playing it low key so he can bring out the big guns later. But right now he needs to act like a townie and he's not, and I think he flinched when I went after Logic.

The roleplaying itself was probable to draw me votes if I voted a scum. It wasn't why I did it but I kept it in mind, to look at the people voting me and sort which of them were town. I think I got those folks' alignment right so far, comparing that with their body of work. Zack looks townie for it, Csargo doesn't, and the rest of their posts match up with that assessment.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Think to your champs performance or any game where you posted a little as scum, and got no flak for it really.

Certainly not by me. And a lot of your town games are up and down postcount wise as well.

You can very easily phone it in on an early round, you choose not to.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The finale, not the qualifier.

[Montmorency]

yes


who do you want to lynch rn?



???



when I was a wolf with him, literally all he would do is pop in, complain the number of posts, do nothing useful, and leave. Sound familiar?

I don't feel any urgency to lynch right now, since half the day is ahead and a number of nulls like Choxorn, Cuth, Barto, and Xiahou remain to sort out. The case against Logic is relatively good for D1, and we need to see him respond against all those nulls. Right now I'm fine continuing to vote you.

Re Manasi: I mean that she would be putting out observations or prods toward her teammates, and she doesn't seem to be observing or prodding much of anyone so far, other than joking with you as usual.

Re: Barto, yes, and he never broke out of it and got lynched. So? That took 2 or 3 days to fill out.

[Zack]

Think to your champs performance or any game where you posted a little as scum, and got no flak for it really.

Certainly not by me. And a lot of your town games are up and down postcount wise as well.

You can very easily phone it in on an early round, you choose not to.

I had to sub out of the champs game, and I did get flak for it anyways

[Zack]

I don't feel any urgency to lynch right now, since half the day is ahead and a number of nulls like Choxorn, Cuth, Barto, and Xiahou remain to sort out. The case against Logic is relatively good for D1, and we need to see him respond against all those nulls. Right now I'm fine continuing to vote you.

Re Manasi: I mean that she would be putting out observations or prods toward her teammates, and she doesn't seem to be observing or prodding much of anyone so far, other than joking with you as usual.

Re: Barto, yes, and he never broke out of it and got lynched. So? That took 2 or 3 days to fill out.

The way you are treating logic and barto is contradictory?

I don't really agree with your meta-reasoning on manasi, or your description of her so far. Her second post of the game i think had a few observatiosn.

[Montmorency]

The way you are treating logic and barto is contradictory?

I don't really agree with your meta-reasoning on manasi, or your description of her so far. Her second post of the game i think had a few observatiosn.

I pointed out that this would have been a proper misgiving earlier on, but Pizza's pressure has been relentless and Logic hasn't kept up on his second set. Barto just began his first set. The point right now is that Logic is a decent candidate, not that he absolutely must be hammered now.

[Montmorency]

@Dp101, what do you think between Manasi, Barto, and Logic? Of course I tried to keep you and the latter two from tearing at each other's throats, but in the end you and Barto (and the rest) POEd Logic.

Is Logic now acting like Logic the round before his lynch then, or is it different conforming to Pizza's observations?

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Monty

courtesy response to your wall with my opinions on relevant bits that weren't questions to others.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Note: Winston and Zack feel better individually as my responses below indicate, but this just elevates the possibility of m/m.

Can't agree with that yet. It would take a lot of things to spin both reads negative. I literally would need to see 2 of Logic, Manasi, and Csargo flip town first, I think. Game would also be way out of hand by then. We'll cross that bridge when it ever happens.

People re: Csargo, but you can't really judge by last game's performance. He's currently low-energy baseline for Csargo and that has tended to be town.

And that gif was deployed in the Pokemon game, right? He was v engaged scum.

Agreed but this one-game meta thing is super thin. By his last town game, he should be lock scum, but I know that it wouldn't be for that reason because I have more than a one game meta with Csargo. He can still be scum but that's not why. Why is because he randed it and his post indicate so, but because it's different from his last town game by miles. It always would have been.

Higher engagement with Pokemon game as scum could have everything to do with partners, state of the game, and the theme. Could also have been a good time for him. There are games when I am locked and loaded if I rand mafia, other games I'm hoping for a town rand because I have a high bar to hit when I'm scum and I want to be able to give that level of performance and sometimes I don't have the energy and I'd have to summon it, which is difficult and frustrating when it's not there.

For those reasons, you shouldn't say Csargo this game as scum did this, he's doing something different here, he might be town. If he is, it's not for those reasons. Much better is examining him in this game. This game will always be much more alignment indicative than a one game meta snap read.

Well, I think the DP analysis is insightful, but I don't know about "no person actually behaves like this"... Laughs aside, there was dicetosser in Representative Democracy. OTOH dicetosser was non-stop confrontational, so that consistency could be something to compare against reinoe later. As of now, reinoe fits well in the town-play mold of visitors like Severing Viper and a couple of other people.

Dicetosser can be fun to play against, he's usually very blunt and confrontational though. He's a very brick wall kind of player, with rough and sharp bricks sticking out at odd angles.

reinoe reminds me of Lulz / iamabussinessman, tbqh. That's his style almost exactly. Voxx is different.

Not a lot of this is needed to be read by anyone, you could elect to skip it. I mainly talk about Winston/Zack not wolves and not w/w, and a bit on Csargo's one previous scum game not being very indicative because of how non-indicative one-game-meta is. Total body of work meta much more solid, this one game always more solid than meta anyway. The most telling meta is whole-game meta. One half of day one is the reason why I'm not more solid he needs to die. I also guess who reinoe is.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I had to sub out of the champs game, and I did get flak for it anyways

Not a lot of scum reads or a ton of votes.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That is paper thin.

INCORRECT!

[Zack]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I also thought lulz, pizza. But I don't think so, considering he's not rubbing his nipples to the sweet, sweet sound of strategic zero posting.