Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Slaan]

I figured out who Slaan reminds me of: Schema. Some unique alias IDK, she only played in Representative Democracy here.

It was this post in particular:



Anybody?

If that's a low key question if I am that Schema: no. I've been using my nickname 'Slaan' for almost 12 years now (my prev nick SlannesH even longer) and I'm not one for alts.

[Slaan]

i remember thinking slaan's opening yesterday was weak

it still lined up with how i feel he can play as villager

his posts since them have also been underwhelming/going in strange directions/unnecessary shadingtypestuff

it still lines up with how i feel he can play as villager

e.g. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053761668

... what? Do you know what my scumrange and townrange are and could you even tell what is in one and not the other? Have you read a scum game from me to make those reads? Sorry but this post feels very bad from my point of view. What do you think is underwhelming about or going in a strange direction? Who do I shade unnecessary? You linked post is me calling out Bart for apparently being Bart and playing like crap (no offence ;)), I think calling him out on it is necessary. And yes my opening is weak, I don't care for the game in RVS and I'm not looking to solve there. I try to get to know the ppl a bit so I can better remember their names going forward... Let me put this differently: Who didnt have a weak opening in the first 2 hours?

This post just feels empty despite there being many words... same as the long post about dp previously... whats up Cuth?

[Slaan]

I mean I don't think its scummy when I think about it but I kinda expect more from you? Or maybe it is, I only have the anni game in my mind where we played and I feel like you were more focused back then than you are now... might be mistaken though. Only thing I remember for sure is that I thought you are 3p for all the wrong reasons.

[Slaan]

1. GH
2. Csargo
3. Dp101
4. Pizza
5. Fredwood
6. El Barto
7. Montmorency
8. Zack
9. Cuthillius
10. Manasi
11. Slaan
12. Reinoe
13. Choxorn
14. Winston Hughes
15. Logic
16. Xiahou
17. Kagemusha

Any of the bolded people I'd consider suspicious. Probably throw WH in there for paranoia reasons as well, maybe Zack too for tinfoil reasons.

Cool

Talk to me about why you think Pizza is mafia :). Also why have Choxorn and Xiahou under suspicion? Kinda seems like you focused (outside of pizza) on low posters or did their posts so far ping you as scummy?

[Cuthillius]

... what? Do you know what my scumrange and townrange are and could you even tell what is in one and not the other? Have you read a scum game from me to make those reads? Sorry but this post feels very bad from my point of view. What do you think is underwhelming about or going in a strange direction? Who do I shade unnecessary? You linked post is me calling out Bart for apparently being Bart and playing like crap (no offence ;)), I think calling him out on it is necessary. And yes my opening is weak, I don't care for the game in RVS and I'm not looking to solve there. I try to get to know the ppl a bit so I can better remember their names going forward... Let me put this differently: Who didnt have a weak opening in the first 2 hours?

This post just feels empty despite there being many words... same as the long post about dp previously... whats up Cuth?

no? i haven't read a single wolfgame from you, i'm just comparing it to when i have played with you, particularly anni

you just

are going in directions that... i don't expect and i don't think are the most productive, and i'm honestly not going to bother isoing you and quoting more

because it's a relatively thin read from my single read-through of this thread

and there's no huge reason i feel is making me want to or need to figure you out at this point

and... most people didn't have that weak of an opening? or at least felt more natural or, as is probably more applicable in the case, acted like i'm used to them acting, in that i've played with most of them at least multiple times

do you have a particular issue with me talking through a read of you/anyone else if i don't come to a firm conclusion at this point in the game?

[Cuthillius]

I mean I don't think its scummy when I think about it but I kinda expect more from you? Or maybe it is, I only have the anni game in my mind where we played and I feel like you were more focused back then than you are now... might be mistaken though. Only thing I remember for sure is that I thought you are 3p for all the wrong reasons.

anni i wasn't as sleep-deprived, it was also lategame of a giant mash with tons of information and players as opposed to a relatively small game on d1?

if that makes any tonal differences for ye

[Slaan]

Thing is, your post themselves arent 'good' in my eyes... they don't provide much info, they arent concise... it also seems like alot of talking with not much content (and maybe I'm also a bit bothered/not used to the one line comment kind of posts that you do ^^).

However I imagine a wolf!cuth to be more concise. To have some sort of point or agenda or direction you'd want to bring across when you post which seems to be lacking... which is probably a terrible reason to start townreading you... but here I am.

Regarding the anni I try not to think about it when making reads here. As you've said it was a way different situation (mash vs normal game here, lategame vs now early game, lots of mech spew in anni etc) so I'll try not to compare this game to the anni too much :)

[Cuthillius]

Thing is, your post themselves arent 'good' in my eyes... they don't provide much info, they arent concise... it also seems like alot of talking with not much content (and maybe I'm also a bit bothered/not used to the one line comment kind of posts that you do ^^).

However I imagine a wolf!cuth to be more concise. To have some sort of point or agenda or direction you'd want to bring across when you post which seems to be lacking... which is probably a terrible reason to start townreading you... but here I am.

Regarding the anni I try not to think about it when making reads here. As you've said it was a way different situation (mash vs normal game here, lategame vs now early game, lots of mech spew in anni etc) so I'll try not to compare this game to the anni too much :)

likewise

[Slaan]

cheeky. I thought I have lots of reads and reasoning behind it posted as well as trying to get others to comment :(

[Dp101]

2. i would have agreed with you in the past

but lissa in particular and a few others have reacted in a quite similar way as wolves

i do think it's... not bad at all for him

I understand the overall sentiment of this post, but I take issue with this portion of it. You know very well that I am not lissa, or "a few others", and personally, after playing with me for as many games as you have, I would think that you'ld know that I don't often do the expected thing. In particular, I really try and avoid getting heated as a wolf, because I feel it strays too close to the kind of emotional manipulation that makes me feel guilty, as opposed to the more fun gleefully lying about what I feel and why I feel it. Your first post is slightly accurate in that I can certainly imagine myself screwing around a little like that as a wolf, but overall I think I'd only do that at MU. After how fast I was caught as scum the one time I randed it on this website, I'm pretty sure that if it happened again, I'd be really frozen and clunky in my posting out of fear of that same kind of rapid collapse.

[Dp101]

I waited a while to respond to that post because I wasn't quite sure how to phrase my reply to it, or if I really needed to reply given that you seemed to have come to the right conclusion, but I feel better having more of my thoughts out there in general.

[Cuthillius]

I understand the overall sentiment of this post, but I take issue with this portion of it. You know very well that I am not lissa, or "a few others", and personally, after playing with me for as many games as you have, I would think that you'ld know that I don't often do the expected thing. In particular, I really try and avoid getting heated as a wolf, because I feel it strays too close to the kind of emotional manipulation that makes me feel guilty, as opposed to the more fun gleefully lying about what I feel and why I feel it. Your first post is slightly accurate in that I can certainly imagine myself screwing around a little like that as a wolf, but overall I think I'd only do that at MU. After how fast I was caught as scum the one time I randed it on this website, I'm pretty sure that if it happened again, I'd be really frozen and clunky in my posting out of fear of that same kind of rapid collapse.

yeah i know my point was more that i didn't think she'd react like that in a similar situation, but it did, ergo is possible for you

fair enough

that's kinda where i ended up at the end of the post, figuring you could and you definitely have the ability to, but is probably fairly unlikely given the context

[Cuthillius]

I waited a while to respond to that post because I wasn't quite sure how to phrase my reply to it, or if I really needed to reply given that you seemed to have come to the right conclusion, but I feel better having more of my thoughts out there in general.

thank you for your honesty

i was actually wondering about that just the tiniest bit

and i completely understand

i think

i hope

[Kagemusha]

@ Zack



Change from rvs vote to real vote based on seemingly real suspicion as indicated in the forthcoming posts:



This is what I know of Kagemusha's old town process. It is very Org from like 3 years ago, very rvs but intending to get the game rolling based off of that, as opposed to their being joke votes. The votes are random and paired with jokes but intended to put random pressure and hopefully hit a scum, limit the length of time of unserious votes and unproductive talk. This matches all of his process for a serious, non-tiny game where he's not playing very casually.



Lot of depth here. Kagemusha doesn't clear the hurdle when asked, he soars over it. That always gets you some town points.



Solving and pointed. I think Logic is in an uncomfortable position and can't really justify his Slaan read. So he made an oops here and Kage is all over it.



Vote for Slaan was not based on the game but was intended to put pressure there. Kage didn't find anything scummy about Slaan yet, and did see something odd about Logic. His votes, reasons, questions, and process is all in the green zone.

Can he fake this? Sure, he's under no pressure and he's one of the all time oldie greats at being a scum. Think he doesn't necessarily make a blunder I can see yet.

But, he's also town-telling enough to be put into town consideration, serious consideration.

It's only not higher because it can be hiding in a good defensible spot. I can't lock it in yet. Still I like what I see.

I feel dissected. Perhaps a cigarette yuo sexy beast?

Reading through the night. I like my vote on Cuth the only weakness is that i do not know his playstyle. What Slaander is posting suggest towards reading Cuth´s initial ISO. Any other takes on Cuth?

[Slaan]

If that question was directed toward me please repeat it... I don't know what you are asking. My posts suggest what towards Cuth?

[Kagemusha]

If that question was directed toward me please repeat it... I don't know what you are asking. My posts suggest what towards Cuth?

Thing is, your post themselves arent 'good' in my eyes... they don't provide much info, they arent concise... it also seems like alot of talking with not much content (and maybe I'm also a bit bothered/not used to the one line comment kind of posts that you do ^^).

However I imagine a wolf!cuth to be more concise. To have some sort of point or agenda or direction you'd want to bring across when you post which seems to be lacking... which is probably a terrible reason to start townreading you... but here I am.

Regarding the anni I try not to think about it when making reads here. As you've said it was a way different situation (mash vs normal game here, lategame vs now early game, lots of mech spew in anni etc) so I'll try not to compare this game to the anni too much :)

I have bolded notions from your earlier post that seem to support my own analyze. The question per se was not aimed to you but to other players that have played with Cuth. Of course his personal input would be most appreciated as he seems to have not replied to my allegations directly at all.

[Slaan]

I'm off to work, cya all in like 12ish hours

[Dp101]

I'm off to work, cya all in like 12ish hours

10/10 x-post

[Slaan]

I have bolded notions from your earlier post that seem to support my own analyze. The question per se was not aimed to you but to other players that have played with Cuth. Of course his personal input would be most appreciated as he seems to have not replied to my allegations directly at all.

Ok got it :). Yea some others have said the same about Cuth's posts so far... duno if that's how he usually plays so I leave the interpretation to others for the time being.

[Slaan]

10/10 x-post

Seriously, 23min nothing then getting ninja'd :(. I'm famous for getting ninjad on my homeboard though so I'm used to it.... :D

[Slaan]

baibai now ^^

[Cuthillius]

hey dp

having a nice evening?

[Dp101]

hey dp

having a nice evening?

No, I'm swamped with homework and have a large test tomorrow followed by some SAT subject tests the next day, so I'm actually kind of stressed. How about you?

[Cuthillius]

No, I'm swamped with homework and have a large test tomorrow followed by some SAT subject tests the next day, so I'm actually kind of stressed. How about you?

ow eesh

tests on weekend? that's rough

i have a goodly amount of homework, but have been slacking and just making cookies and talking on discord

gl with the hw, hope the stuff goes well and you don't have to stay up too late

[Choxorn]

come to think of it, applies to csargo too

pizza going after the lowest hanging fruit he can find

Vote: El Barto

If you're not going to do anything except take side shots, you can die.

> Says Pizza is going after low-hanging fruit
> Votes El Barto

Sheesh.... 25 pages already???

Vote: zack
For spamming out over 150 posts.

ATPG is a close second... but you can only vote for one.

Your post is bad and you should feel bad

Even El Barto had more to say than just "I don't like how active the thread is"

[Choxorn]

I find myself agreeing with most of what Pizza says and getting solid town vibes from him.

Of course, given that this is Pizza, I'm not going to place him in the "definite town" column unless I get a 100% Truescan Reading on him saying he's absolutely, totally townie, and even then I'm still going to have some doubts.

[Choxorn]

Logic-

First few posts are just talking about video games, total fluff

First real post is this one, in response to Pizza calling him scummy:

I admit, I am bad at chess. Maybe mafia too. Not sure what you see that looks suspicious in the 5 (guessing) posts I've made.

Then more fluff

Some stuff about how he's confused by how Pizza's playing, which is odd, because talk a bunch and engage in weird roleplaying is what Pizza always does.

Then there's this:

I haven't played chess since about the time that avatar was made. So, a decade or so? I've never considered myself very good. I'm capable of beating my parents and


Hmm. Why do you get a feeling that no one else seems to?


Logic's 10-minute take:
DP is town. DP is not teamed with Pizza, or Zack.

Csargo and Pizza are not teamed. One could be a wolf, but I don't think both.

Pizza feels really weird from normal. I can usually understand him a little, but here, he feels like he is playing 9 moves ahead to my 4. Not sure if he's on my team or not. I stand by my "seat of the pants" statement from earlier.

Cuth jumps in with some slight shade at DP. Is he suspicious of DP?

Kage shows up with what looks like a lazy vote on Slaan. Possibly a joke, but I think there's a more than reasonable chance that Kage is mafia.

Reinoe is the current target of DP's ire, and he is voting for me, (full disclosure, that that vote isn't being counted because it isn't bolded)

His vote on me looks like it stems only from Pizza's accusation. Not sure if sheeping, or he has other reasons for voting for me.

[b]Vote: Kagemusha[b/]

I still don't like this post. Still just feels off, and voting Kagemusha for an obvious joke vote looks scummy to me. His later attempt to justify it seems like he's really grasping at straws:

One seemingly random vote for something very minuscule, and not related to the game? Yeah, I thought it was a tell. Especially since I don't see Slaan as a wolf.

I read his iso. To me, it looks more like a townie toeing the waters on a new group of people than someone with hidden information.


Winston, this... looks odd. It sounds to me like a willingness to lynch pizza, but an admission that you know he's town.

And this post is just wishy-washy. And still feels off to me.


Just generally Logic feels very non-committal with his suspicions, is guarded with his language, never pushing anything he says too strongly so he has room to go back on what he said earlier, and a lot of his posts are pretty light on content.

Vote: Logic

Nxe7+

[Sooh]

Vote count:

Pizza (2): Csargo, Manasi

Cuthillius (2): GH, Kagemusha

Zack (3): Montmorency, El Barto, Xiahou

Logic (5): Pizza, Winston Hughes, Dp101, Slaan, Choxorn

Reinoe (1): Fredwood

Kagemusha (1): Logic

El Barto (2): Zack, Reinoe

Not voting (1): Cuthillius

With 17 players there are 9 to hammer.


EOD1:

[Manasi]

Morning, I haven't caught up at all.

Lol@csargo suspecting me.

[Csargo]

Cool

Talk to me about why you think Pizza is mafia :). Also why have Choxorn and Xiahou under suspicion? Kinda seems like you focused (outside of pizza) on low posters or did their posts so far ping you as scummy?

It just a gut thing at this point, in regards to pizza, I think there's decent potential for pizza to be mafia. I can see why people are town reading him though, he's playing very similarly to XCOM. I don't think it's the same though, so I have reservations.

This is what Manasi does as scum and probably as town.

I can't read El Barto well.

Choxorn for low posts, can't get a read on him. Same for Xiahou.

I feel like logic is different from XCOM, but I need to iso that game and see.

I'd much rather eliminate people with less posts this early in the game tbh. I can get a much better read on the non-bolded people going forward, less so with the others.