Trump Thread

**Hooahguy** · 12-01-2017, 19:52

So Flynn has pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about meetings with the Russian ambassador during the election.

This bit is pretty interesting too:

“A very senior member of the Presidential transition team directed Flynn to contact officials from foreign governments, including Russia, to learn where each government stood on the resolution and to influence those governments to delay the vote or defeat the resolution,” sad a written statement of facts signed by Flynn and prosecutors.

I wonder who will be going down next.

**Montmorency** · 12-01-2017, 20:25

And obstruction.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**HopAlongBunny** · 12-02-2017, 00:51

Flynn has plead guilty to false statements and is cooperating with Mueller's investigation.
Whether this actually leads to anything against Trump is an open question, but it does indicate that those close to the president are beginning to look to self preservation:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42192080

For giggles I Googled "Flynn Framed"; yes the denial machine is in full operation

**drone** · 12-02-2017, 05:08

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

I wonder who will be going down next.

The "very senior member" is reportedly Jared Kushner...

**Hooahguy** · 12-03-2017, 02:21

I was hoping it would be Trump himself, but perhaps Kushner will turn on his father in law. All this makes the passage of the dumpster fire of a tax bill a bit better.

And hey, Trump might have just admitted to obstruction of justice.

Trump’s Saturday tweet seems to indicate that he knew Flynn had lied to the FBI when he made his comments to Comey. That could play into a case of obstruction of justice against him, as many were quick to point out.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 12-03-2017, 02:57

The more I see the demonstrated political skills of this administration and its campaign team...some now officially criminal...the more I think the ONLY Hillary could have managed a defeat against this crew.

**Hooahguy** · 12-03-2017, 04:28

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

The more I see the demonstrated political skills of this administration and its campaign team...some now officially criminal...the more I think the ONLY Hillary could have managed a defeat against this crew.

That and the political immaturity of the left. The reason Republicans win is because their supporters fall in line no matter what because of the R by the name of the candidate.

**Montmorency** · 12-03-2017, 04:43

Beyond the presidential race, there's something to be said of ideological clarity and consistency.

The Democratic Party offers wishy-washy incrementalism that coddles moneyed interests.

The Republican Party offers a truly RADICAL platform.

Revolution, no matter its contents or injustices, is inherently sexier than incrementalism.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 12-03-2017, 04:46

Originally Posted by Montmorency

Beyond the presidential race, there's something to be said of ideological clarity and consistency.

The Democratic Party offers wishy-washy incrementalism that coddles moneyed interests.

The Republican Party offers a truly RADICAL platform.

Revolution, no matter its contents or injustices, is inherently sexier than incrementalism.

With the electorate's mood over the last decade or so, I have to agree with you completely. I was sorta stunned by how many Trump supporters second choice, when polled, was Sanders. Business as usual was not their...pardon me...cup of tea.

**rory_20_uk** · 12-04-2017, 15:03

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

That and the political immaturity of the left. The reason Republicans win is because their supporters fall in line no matter what because of the R by the name of the candidate.

The terms Left and Right are so muddied to be nonsensical.

It is however true many people would rather vote for a Republican who is a 30-something man who screwed a 14 year old than contemplate voting for a Democrat.

It is not "immature" to engage one's brain when voting - it is one facet that democracy pre-supposes.

**Hooahguy** · 12-04-2017, 17:11

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

The terms Left and Right are so muddied to be nonsensical.

It is however true many people would rather vote for a Republican who is a 30-something man who screwed a 14 year old than contemplate voting for a Democrat.

It is not "immature" to engage one's brain when voting - it is one facet that democracy pre-supposes.

True, the terms left and right are very generalized but as a whole the left shows much more of a "I'm going to take my ball and go home" mentality if they don't like everything about the candidate, even if the opposing candidate would be much worse. I heard so many people who identify as liberal/left railing about how they wouldnt vote for Hillary since she was so horrible. And yet now are complaining about the changes Trump is making. She might not have been the preferred candidate for many, but after seeing everything done over the past year I would be shocked if most of those wouldnt prefer Hillary elected over Trump. Engage your brain all you want when you vote, but if your vote isnt advancing your agenda in some way, did you really engage your brain at all?

The election between Roy Moore and Doug Jones in Alabama is a perfect example of this. Alabama is one of the most pro-life states in the country. Doug Jones, the Democrat, is pro-choice. I would be shocked if he won, as I have heard people are going to hold their nose and vote for Moore just because he is pro-life. But Jones couldnt be pro-life, as that would put him at odds with the Democrats as a whole. If Democrats want to start winning locally again they need to drop the purity tests and run candidates who would win in their area depending on their values, not the ones who would win in already heavily blue areas.