Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
Another thought: If this goes through, we will have acknowledged the Russian position in Crimea and Ukraine that 'force determines sovereignty'. Should also be pleasing to the usual suspects in Asia.

Another nail in the coffin of the post-war order.

If we could take some of these arguments to their logical end, then clearly the long-suffering indigenous peoples of the Americas have the right to (peaceful!) ethnic cleansing of the settler-colonial oppressors in their midst.

Israel exists, but Jews no more "deserve" a home state than Kurds or Tibetans or Tatars, Bretons or Catalans or Saami, or anyone else.

What they arguably deserve, as arguably do we all, is good governance and robust human rights enforcement.
One could argue that the latter is a luxury in a middle eastern context. The question is, do we see Israel as a middle eastern country, in which case they are by far the best of the bunch? Or are they a western country, in which case their human rights abuses are a disgrace?

Either way, the argument Frag pushes, that Palestinians do not exist, is as bad as any other deletions from history. Israel's continued existence does not depend on the erasure of Palestinians from existence. There are any number of terms for this practice, none of them reputable.