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    Default Re: How is a two state solution Fair or Equitable to Palestine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    Here we go again about genetics, iheritance, history and ancient names...
    It is important. Maybe you have been taught to disregard History and rewrite it as you please according to Soviet Model but the rest of the world does like to go by Scientific Evidence.

    And in this case it was important to both Palestinians and Jewish, it was even published on Jewish news outlets.

    There is nothing wrong with context it helps build bridges, and this is what needs to happen here., Both sides need to start building bridges and find common ground. Genetic evidence is common ground. Why reject it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Palestinians and Israeli's are the same from the person who says Greeks and Macedonians are different.
    Were you referring to me in that statement? If yes, then you misunderstand me. Macedonians are Greeks. And Greeks are Different from the Citizens of FYROM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    Unfortunately this is a major oversimplification. Its more than just being multicultural and progressive. As someone who has spent a good amount of time in Israel, areas of it are actually pretty progressive and multicultural, like Tel Aviv. Gay pride parades, people of many different cultures getting along just fine. Its whats under the surface which is the issue.

    Lets consider these two perspectives:

    [...]

    So this endless circle of violence continues. Nobody really wants to give more ground in this fight. I think both are going to stick it out until the end. Maybe I'm just jaded but thats how I see this playing out. Unless a miracle happens, like Oslo v2. My hopes for that continually diminish though.
    I do not disagree with you. And appreciate you insight based on your first hand experience. I visited and lived in many countries in my life, went around the world many times. Unfortunately israel/Palestine was not one of them so I cannot speak form first hand experience.

    I offer my opinions from outside and from what I can read in the media, history and the people form there that I talk to etc.

    I do understand the difficulties however that you speak of, it is why in my reply above I said it will take a couple of generations (maybe more) of education. Education to learn to live together to stop to hate.

    Of course all that can only start if there is actual peace, and IDF soldiers stop having clashes with Palestinians and vice versa..

    It does require Leadership initiative...from both sides, and from the people..and the Media...because much of the Hate is being maintained by the media..as evidenced by this story here:

    Jews vs Arabs

    Worth watching...and maybe just maybe..change will slowly happen...
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