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    Default Re: A Christian Looks at Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post

    Contradictions

    I applaud you. So Bible has no contradictions, while Koran does? What about the whole picture and puzzle pieces?

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    How can a impersonal god such as the god of the Koran create personal beings?
    I believe in the same maaner as Christian God can create two physically different creatures (man and woman) as an exact image of himself.

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    Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret what Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great.
    -Qur'an 4:34 (Pickthall)

    Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great
    -Qur'an 4:34 (Shakir)
    How iniquitous! How terrible is the inferior position of islamic women. Wait! IIRC:

    Ephesians 5:22-24
    22 Wives, obey your husbands as you obey the Lord.

    23 The husband is the head of the wife, just as Christ is the head of the church people. The church is his body and he saved it.

    24 Wives should obey their husbands in everything, just as the church people obey Christ.



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    The Islamic view of woman is hard for me to accept.
    One more hearty applause. From me and from Ephesians.

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    Men are allowed to beat their wives and lock them in separate rooms 4.34. The reason woman are veiled is because the sight of them unveiled causes angels to flee according to Ibn Ishaq. Woman cant testify in court in most cases under Islamic law, their testimony is not worth that of a mans when they can. Even Aisha's did not count in her claimed adultery while marries to Muhammad. To be found guilty of rape four male witnesses are needed and if a woman brings a man to court and four wont testify, she goes to jail. In Pakistan 75% of woman in jail are their for claiming rape but not able to produce four male witnesses. Woman are a pollutant during their time period 2.222. Men can have four wives 4.3, Mohammad was allowed eleven by Allah.

    Muslim men can have sex with captures slaves and wives called muta. The Qur’an permits Muslims to have sex with their female captives and slaves (i.e. those "whom their right hands possess"). As the Muslim armies raided town after town, they captured many women, who would often be sold or traded. Yet, since the Muslim men were a long way from their wives, they needed wisdom from God to guide them in their treatment of their female captives:
    For me, it is not that important what a book says. It is what people who read the book do which matters.
    And as for actions, everything that is said above can as well be spotted in Christian countries and done by Christians.


    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    Islam is perhaps most well known among non Muslims for its violence and violence committed in the name of Islam despite western liberalism attempts to hide it. Often 5.32 is used to try and convince us Islam is peaceful. However even here according to the Koran this is a a teaching to the children of Israel, not Muslims. 2.62 another passage, refers to Christians and Jews who converted to Islam. Islam is known as the religion of the sword. The Saudi Arabia flag is a Islamic sword. Of course if Allah is violent or commands his followers to be, that does not disprove Islam in any way, it just proves god is violent or thinks it justified in certain circumstances. But just to piss off the PC crown here are some Koranic passages justifying violence.
    Again, the actions matter. I'm sure Christians have murdered no fewer people (both of their own faith and otherwise) than Muslims.

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    Muhammad said “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah.”
    -Sahih Muslim 33[/I]

    Islam is only religion in world that has mandate violence against non believers. Unbelievers are enemies 4.101 fight against them until idolatry is no more and gods religion reigns supreme 2.192-93. Muhammad is to make war with nonbelievers and deal sternly with them 66.9. large numbers of mass killings by Allah towards unbelievers in Koran are found. Allah tells Muhammad not to pray for enemies 9.80 9.84. No forgiveness for those who reject allah and his prophet 9.80. Muslims are the best of people 3.110 Jews and christian are the worse of creatures 98.6
    We've been through it all. In Bible God promises punishment onto all and sundry (including their innocent children) if they pray to another God.

    Deuteronomy 5:9
    'You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me


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