Thanks for taking the time to read on creation and sorry if this is confusing. Noah and his family built an ark that all land dwelling air breathing kinds of animals were saved on and this includes the 40 or so dinosaur kinds and elephant kind [mammoth]. They have since gone extinct with their ancestors of some still around such as the modern elephant.
So according to creation we would not find modern species with dinosaurs but only kinds [often family] with dinosaurs. Evolution [not science] claims these are different ages and i can see why you would see that as a logical explanation, as it would be. But as my op showed it does follow circular reasoning and their are multiple reasons to reject this interpretation.
So your valid question is are not modern kinds found with dinosaurs if they lived at the same time. I would say many have been found and more all the time and often when an animals is found in the wrong layer, it is exspalined away see my post on dating fossils.
animals alive today found with dinosaurs fossils
“We found fossilized examples from every major invertebrate animal phylum living today including: arthropods (insects, crustaceans etc.), shellfish, echinoderms (starfish, crinoids, brittle stars, etc.), corals, sponges, and segmented worms (earthworms, marine worms).
“The vertebrates—animals with backbones such as fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals—show this same pattern.”“Cartilaginous fish (sharks and rays), boney fish (such as sturgeon, paddlefish, salmon, herring, flounder and bowfin) and jawless fish (hagfish and lamprey) have been found in the dinosaur layers and they look the same as modern forms.“Modern-looking frogs and salamanders have been found in dinosaur dig sites.“All of today’s reptile groups have been found in the dinosaur layers and they look the same or similar to modern forms: Snakes (boa constrictor), lizards (ground lizards and gliding lizards), turtles (box turtles, soft-shelled turtles), and crocodilians (alligators, crocodiles and gavials).”“Contrary to popular belief, modern types of birds have been found, including: parrots, owls, penguins, ducks, loons, albatross, cormorants, sandpipers, avocets, flamigos etc. At the dinosaur dig sites, scientists have found many unusual extinct mammal forms such as the multituberculates2 but they have also found fossilized mammals that look like squirrels, possums, Tasmanian devils, hedgehogs, shrews, beavers, primates, and duck-billed platypus. “Few are aware of the great number of mammal species found with dinosaurs. Paleontologists have found 432 mammal species in the dinosaur layers
- Kielan-Jaworowska, Z., Kielan, Cifelli, R.L. and Luo, Z.X., Mammals from the Age of Dinosaurs: Origins, Evolution, and Structure, Columbia University Press, NY, 2004
almost as many as the number of dinosaur species. These include nearly 100 complete mammal skeletons. But where are these fossils? We visited 60 museums but did not see a single complete mammal skeleton from the dinosaur layers displayed at any of these museums. This is amazing. Also, we saw only a few dozen incomplete skeletons/single bones of the 432 mammal species found so far. Why don’t the museums display these mammal fossils and also the bird fossils?”
“In the dinosaur rock layers, we found fossils from every major plant division living today including: flowering plants, ginkgos, cone trees, moss, vascular mosses, cycads, and ferns. Again, if you look at these fossils and compare them to modern forms, you will quickly conclude that the plants have not changed. Fossil sequoias, magnolias, dogwoods, poplars and redwoods, lily pads, cycads, ferns, horsetails etc. have been found at the dinosaur digs.” Along with dinosaurs, the finds included an extinct bird named Rahonavis, a short-bodied crocodile-like creature called Simosuchus, and a toad that Krause and his colleagues named Beelzebufo.
http://newswatch.nationalgeographic....sil-by-fossil/
Many people are surprised when they hear of these creatures being buried together and wonder why they never heard of it before. Below is one evolutionary paleontologist’s explanation.
“We find mammals in almost all of our [dinosaur dig] sites. These were not noticed years ago … . We have about 20,000 pounds of bentonite clay that has mammal fossils that we are trying to give away to some researcher. It’s not that they are not important, it’s just that you only live once and I specialized in something other than mammals. I specialize in reptiles and dinosaurs.”
Interview with Dr Donald Burge, curator of vertebrate paleontology, College of Eastern Utah Prehistoric Museum by Dr Carl Werner, 13 February 2001, in Living Fossils—Evolution: The Grand Experiment, Vol. 2, New Leaf Press, 2009, p. 173
squirls, beavers, tasmanian devils, racoon tracks, mamel skin, 20 ponund rodent found with dinasurs. They are found with oak trees, willow trees, magnolia, firs and wollemi pine.
Consider how many more tens of thousands of fossil mammals in ‘dinosaur rock’ are likely being similarly ignored in other parts of the world, with the likelihood of finding even more representatives of the same kinds as modern-day mammals.9
Interviewed in Creation magazine,10 Dr Carl Werner pointed out that already over 432 mammal species have been identified in ‘dinosaur rock’, including nearly 100 complete mammal skeletons. Yet in his extensive travels to 60 museums across the world researching his documentary series, only a few dozen of these species were featured in displays, with not one complete skeleton.
As for the ‘Age of Dinosaurs’, another evolutionary paleontologist explains;
“In a sense, ‘The Age of Dinosaurs’ … is a misnomer … Mammals are just one such important group that lived with the dinosaurs, coexisted with the dinosaurs, and survived the dinosaurs.
Interview with Dr Zhe-Xi Luo, curator of vertebrate paleontology and associate director of research and collections at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History, Pittsburgh, by Dr Carl Werner, 17 May 2004, in Ref. 8
squires,platypus,beaver badger found with dinos
35–37 The so-called ‘age of dinosaurs’
by Calvin Smith creation mag Volume 33, Issue 3July 2011
Large Groundhog
https://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=133092
Dog like animal with dinosaur remains in its stomach
https://answersingenesis.org/dinosau...rd-to-swallow/
Dinosaur Fossil Found in Mammal's Stomach
robably is the first proof that mammals hunted small dinosaurs some 130 million years ago. It contradicts conventional evolutionary theory that early mammals were timid, chipmunk-sized creatures that scurried in the looming shadow of the giant reptiles.
http://www.livescience.com/3794-dino...l-stomach.html
“If paleontologist would take a more empirical approach absent the assumption of evolution, the fossil record might appear quite different”
-Micheal Oard Fossil Range extensions continues JOC 27 # 2013
Creationist do not say every species has been around since the beginning. We say each kind has been around since the beginning. The biblical kind is usually at the level of family. So we say a dog, coyote, fox and wolf were not all around from the beginning but shared a common ancestor. So "Canadian geese" would not have been around but its ancestor a similar kind would have. As of 1968 Romer did a study in Vertebrate Paleontology and found 98% of vertebrates families 79.1%, of living families of terrestrial vertebrates and 87.7% of birds have been found in column so far. Along with practically all insects. Time can only raise those numbers.
The argument assumes the circular reasoning and index fossil system built upon evolutionary assumptions to even create a supposed "geological column" and timescales. Add to that The fossil record is always expanding. Organisms are consistently found millions and hundreds of millions of years "earlier and "later" within the evolutionary framework.
“Fossils give a minimum rather than maximum age of a taxon
-Rosen 1985 p 636 geological hierarchies and bibliographic congruence in the carabian annals of the Missouri botanical garden 72:636-659
Further fossils are found out of place all the time extending there range by new finds but evolutionist just keep changing there story. Fossils are reclassified as a separate “species” even though identical or near identical [same kind] when they are found “out of place” to save the idea of a geological column. The evolutionist also employ rescuing devices.
"Fossils frequently occur where they are not ‘supposed’ to. It is then claimed that either the fauna [animals] or flora [plants] have lived longer than previously known (simple extension of stratigraphic range) or that the fossil has been reworked. "In ‘reworking,’ it is claimed that the fossil has been eroded away from a much older host rock and has thus been incorporated into a rock of more recent age. "The reciprocal situation is ‘downwash,’ where it is claimed that an organism has been washed down into rock much older than the time it lived and has become fossilized."
—John Woodmorappe, "An Anthology of Matters Significant to Creationism and Diluviology: Report 2," in Creation Research Society Quarterly, March 1982, p. 209.
MIXED-UP FOSSILS—(*#14/27*) Have you ever noticed that, on the standard strata time charts, certain fossils will always be in certain strata? That is another generalization in the evolutionary theory that does not prove to be correct. In reality, fossils are frequently found in the wrong place,—especially far below the strata where they are first supposed to have "evolved" into existence.
There are three ways that the experts deal with this problem: (1) Ignore the evidence. (2) When large numbers of fossils are found in solid rock below their proper strata, they are said to have been "downwashed" through the solid rock into lower strata. (3) When they are found above their theoretical strata, they are said to have "reworked" themselves into a higher strata. That is, they slipped, slid, or fell up through solid rock into higher levels. REWORKING AND DOWNWASH—As noted in the above paragraph, "Reworking" and "downwash" are used to explain fossils which, by their location, disprove the theory.
-Vance Ferrell Science vs evolution
Next the fossil record is not full, evolutionist would say this even more so saying very few animals have been preserved though earths history. Thus many organisms lived alongside others that were preserved while they were not.
Mammals tend to "float and bloat" and avoid fossilization. That is why the fossil record is almost entirely hard shell deep sea organisms. 95% of all fossils are shallow marine organisms like corals and shellfish. Algae and plants make up 95% of the reaming fossils. Than 95% are invertebrates and insects. .0125% are vertebrates most of them fish. So the chance of finding any number of living species with any fossilized land organism is slim.
Creationist agree with a certain amount of fossil "sorting" but not based on evolutionary assumptions.
https://answersingenesis.org/fossils...vor-long-ages/
Lets say everything today drooped dead and became a fossil. How many people would be buried with panda bears? How many with lions with jaguars? how many cows with dear? any humans with turkeys? it would be hard to find. But that does not mean they did not live at the same time. In the fossil record you will not find coelacanth fish with whales or human, yet today we all live together just in different ecological systems so we are not buried together. Also evolution has many problems like these themselves like fossils being in the fossil record than disappearing for hundreds of millions of years but then being found alive today. They are called living fossils. One example with Dino's they say no grass was around as it had not yet evolved. Yet they found all the grass family's in Dino stomachs and Dino droppings. How can this be according to evolution? Dino's eating grass that hasn't evolved yet.
What Do We Find in the Fossil Record?
The first issue to consider is what we actually find in the fossil record.
~95% of all fossils are shallow marine organisms, such as corals and shellfish.
~95% of the remaining 5% are algae and plants.
~95% of the remaining 0.25% are invertebrates, including insects.
The remaining 0.0125% are vertebrates, mostly fish. (95% of land vertebrates consist of less than one bone, and 95% of mammal fossils are from the Ice Age after the Flood.)1
The number of dinosaur fossils is actually relatively small, compared to other types of creatures. Since the Flood was a marine catastrophe, we would expect marine fossils to be dominant in the fossil record. And that is the case.Vertebrates are not as common as other types of life-forms. This makes sense of these percentages and helps us understand why vertebrates, including dinosaurs, are so rare and even overwhelmed by marine organisms in the record.
Bookmarks