Biblical Creation vs Evolution- the age of the Earth

[Gilrandir]

in the biblical model dinosaurs were on the ark,

Quote, please, Bible where dinosaurs on the ark are mentioned.

Dinosaur species continue to fall, many species are just younger versions of adult dinos.

In fact, there was only one species of dinosaurs. Paleontologists just assembled the found bones in different ways.

Plus room for them to move around, food and water for all of them for 370 days, room for the small animals to grow larger, teaching them all the things their parents would teach them and/or breeding the eggs every day...
And it is actually not all that big: http://fpcnorthportfl.net/noahs-ark-its-size-etc/

Not to forget that quite a few animals would reproduce several times in 370 days, especially bacteria but also other small animals.
https://video.nationalgeographic.com...n_reproduction


But I guess that and the much larger size of grown insects back then was also calculated into the food and water needs? How were the food needs of carnivores and parasites satisfied?

And since you put an emphasis on them all having been land animals, how did they get there from multiple different continents?

You are taking over after me? Keep going. I'm tired.

[total relism]

Quote, please, Bible where dinosaurs on the ark are mentioned.



In fact, there was only one species of dinosaurs. Paleontologists just assembled the found bones in different ways.



You are taking over after me? Keep going. I'm tired.

Dinosaur means 'terrible lizard" and was not used until the 1800's. They were land air breathing dwellers so they fall under the category of animals on the ark.


And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ark to keep them alive with you. They shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground,...And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ark to keep them alive with you. They shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground,

[Husar]

Dinosaur means 'terrible lizard" and was not used until the 1800's. They were land air breathing dwellers so they fall under the category of animals on the ark.


And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ark to keep them alive with you. They shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground,...And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ark to keep them alive with you. They shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground,

Yes, note how that totally includes most insects.

[total relism]

Yes, note how that totally includes most insects.

“For the life [Hebrew: nep̄eš] of the flesh is in the blood [Hebrew: dām]” (Leviticus 17:11, 14; cf. Genesis 9:4; Deuteronomy 12:23). Insects do not have blood;

“in which is the breath of life,” (Hebrew: ’ăšer-bô rûaḥ ḥayyîm; Genesis 7:15, 22; cf. Job 7:7). Like bāśār, this additional phrase is never conclusively used of invertebrates. Additionally, in Genesis 7:22 the statement is made that “all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died.” The Hebrew word ’ap̄ refers literally to the nose or nostrils. Insects do not have nostrils (or lungs), and do not intake air the same way as most other land animals.

[Husar]

“For the life [Hebrew: nep̄eš] of the flesh is in the blood [Hebrew: dām]” (Leviticus 17:11, 14; cf. Genesis 9:4; Deuteronomy 12:23). Insects do not have blood;

“in which is the breath of life,” (Hebrew: ’ăšer-bô rûaḥ ḥayyîm; Genesis 7:15, 22; cf. Job 7:7). Like bāśār, this additional phrase is never conclusively used of invertebrates. Additionally, in Genesis 7:22 the statement is made that “all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died.” The Hebrew word ’ap̄ refers literally to the nose or nostrils. Insects do not have nostrils (or lungs), and do not intake air the same way as most other land animals.

So why aren't they dead then?

[total relism]

So why aren't they dead then?

Some do argue insects were on the ark [still plenty of room] some argue some insects, if not as a category, were taken as pollinator, composted, plant caretakers, as food or came along for the ride on various animals. However while the flood was a year long, the whole earth was not covered a that long an the tallest trees [where insects could avoid the flood] could have been covered only weeks in some places.

https://www.howitworksdaily.com/white-water-rapids/


but where they most likely survived was on the vast vegetation mats that would [and are] produced by massive floods.


Start under Mats could last decades
https://creation.com/post-flood-log-...imal-migration

[Husar]

So insects survived on floating stuff but there wasn't a single other human with a boat to survive on?

[Gilrandir]

Dinosaur means 'terrible lizard" and was not used until the 1800's. They were land air breathing dwellers so they fall under the category of animals on the ark.


And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ark to keep them alive with you. They shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground,...And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ark to keep them alive with you. They shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground,

So dinosaurs, together with mammoths, were saved from the deluge and after they disembarked they just went extinct for no reason? In matters of hundreds of years? While other animals keep living till today?

[Pannonian]

So dinosaurs, together with mammoths, were saved from the deluge and after they disembarked they just went extinct for no reason? In matters of hundreds of years? While other animals keep living till today?

Of course. Dinosaurs were hunted into extinction by humans. The KT boundary marks the point where humans roasted their dinosaur prey and left their mark on the landscape. It's all there in the science.

[total relism]

Of course. Dinosaurs were hunted into extinction by humans. The KT boundary marks the point where humans roasted their dinosaur prey and left their mark on the landscape. It's all there in the science.

Did a comet kill the dinosaurs?

Some scientists blame comets for the lack of dinosaurs on earth today. They hypothesize that a large comet collided with our planet long ago. This resulted in great clouds of dust in the air, which shielded the sun and cooled the earth's climate for many years. Since dinosaurs could not adjust to the colder weather, they perished. This is just one of many theories about the demise of the dinosaurs. The list of suggested catastrophes, both on the earth and in the sky, is considerable. Some of the other astronomical events used to explain the death of dinosaurs are:

The sun became either too hot or too cold for dinosaurs.
The world's climate became either too dry or too wet.
A supernova exploded nearby, spraying the earth with radiation.
Earth 's magnetic field reversed, and incoming radiation killed most life.
A passing comet poisoned the earth with chemicals.
A giant meteorite crashed into the sea, and a tidal wave then swept the land and drowned life.
There is a lack of supporting evidence for any of these events! Instead, creationists suggest that most dinosaurs died as a result of the great flood described in Genesis 6-8. Dinosaur types which were preserved on the ark probably faced severe climate changes following the flood. Creation research continues to demonstrate the importance of the worldwide flood in explaining earth's history


Mammals eating dinosaur eggs.
New narcotic plants evolved.
Global cooling/global warming.
Loss of plants causing herbivores to starve, which in turn caused the carnivores to starve.
Lowering of oxygen partial pressure in the atmosphere.
Great impact theory
The current ‘glamour’ theory was proposed by the geologist Walter Alvarez in about 1980, that a meteor strike 66.4 million years ago caused dramatic climatic changes much like ‘nuclear winter’. This caused the extinction of the dinosaurs and many other species. His evidence was his discovery of an allegedly world-wide layer of clay with a high iridium content. His father Luis, who won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1968 for work on subatomic particles, helped him publicize the theory. It is now accepted as ‘proven fact’ in many circles, and popularized in ‘documentaries’ such as Walking with Dinosaurs.
Problems with the ‘great impact’ theory
The secular book The Great Dinosaur Extinction Controversy exposes the way that the meteor explanation for the dinosaur extinction has become a new dogma that has way outstripped the evidence (see review by Carl Wieland in Journal of Creation 12(2):154–158, 1998). Some of the reasons are:
The extinction was not that sudden (using evolutionary/long age interpretations of the geological record). But the spread in the geological record makes sense if much of the sedimentary deposits were formed in Noah’s Flood.
Light-sensitive species survived.
Extinctions don’t correlate with crater dates.
Modern volcanic eruptions don’t cause global extinction patterns, even if they cause a temporary temperature drop.
The iridium enrichment, supposedly a key proof of meteor impact, is not nearly as clearly defined as claimed.
Drill cores of the apparent ‘smoking gun’ Chicxulub Crater on the Yucatán peninsula in south-east Mexico do not support the idea that it is an impact crater.
It seems that some scientists didn’t speak out against the idea for fear of undermining the ‘nuclear winter’ idea, and being grouped with ‘nuclear warmongers’.
http://creation.com/book-review-the-...on-controversy

There are serious problems with the evidence proposed for any of these events. Take the large asteroid impact theory, for example. Why would that event only wipe out the dinosaurs and not the ducks, squirrels, beavers, etc. that co-existed with them as mentioned above? Not to mention lizards and crocodiles, supposedly their close cousins? Some evolutionists dispute the evidence of this impact as causing dino extinction
http://creation.com/dino-impact-theory-takes-a-hit

dino extinction circular reasoning
http://creation.com/journal-of-creation-233

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v4/n4 anwsers v vol 4 sites journal of the geological society [166] 393-411 that shows problems with the theory of a comet destroying the dinos.

dino teeth found above kt boundary and a few other dino remains p371
http://www.answersingenesis.org/Publ...,6438,226.aspx


climate change killed the dinosaurs problems with this idea
p116 In the beginning walt brown 2008
problems for asteroid killing the dinasours
p116-117 In the beginning walt brown p116-117

mass extinctions
volcanic dust has similar chemical signature to a asteroid
http://www.answersingenesis.org/Publ...,5697,224.aspx

[Pannonian]

climate change killed the dinosaurs problems with this idea
p116 In the beginning walt brown 2008
problems for asteroid killing the dinasours
p116-117 In the beginning walt brown p116-117

Why is it that most of the "authorities" you cite tend to be engineers, rather than biologists commenting on biology, geologists commenting on geology, astronomists commenting on astronomy, etc.? Oh hang on, I missed your citation of a medical doctor commenting on geology.

[total relism]

So dinosaurs, together with mammoths, were saved from the deluge and after they disembarked they just went extinct for no reason? In matters of hundreds of years? While other animals keep living till today?

Today they are probable all extinct [like many other organisms] likely due to climate change after the flood during the ice age as so many species did from diet change or perhaps human hunting of larger animals. Like tigers and elephants in many area went extinct due to human hunting until laws protected them. However there are many stories/ paintings/ recorded history of dinosaurs that suggest they lived at least in small numbers for long periods after the flood.