Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
By juxtapositioning minority issues with "ordinary Americans" I think you would understand why a lot of minority voters do not like him very much as they correctly believe that he doesnt truly understand issues relating to their communities and views them not being as important compared to "ordinary Americans."
He's saying that women and minorities are "ordinary Americans" - part of his spiel since at least 2016.

'The Democratic Party should do X instead of Y' is not in itself an attack on the Democratic Party. It's perfectly mild and civil. Mitt Romney has harsher things to say about Trump and the Republican Party, yet he's all in with them beyond the signalling.

Yeah but Sanders didnt do nearly as much as he could have to get his followers to vote for Hillary in 2016. The whole "Bernie Bro" thing wasnt just made up, there was a large and active faction within his supporters that ended up doing a lot of harm. To me it feels like Sanders sees the Democrat party more an opponent than an ally. I understand why of course considering how the last primary went. But I already I see calls on Twitter for "Bernie or bust" again. Are they bots trying to sow conflict? Who knows. Point is he was used as a cudgel to attack Clinton. The GOP even had a page called "The Top 15 Sanders Attacks On Clinton." The 2020 primary should aim to avoid things like that. And I simply do not have faith that he will.
Why do you put it on Sanders if his supporters and Clinton supporters spar? Do only Sanders supporters have agency? "Bernie Bro" was indeed a coinage of the Clinton campaign. At any rate, how do you respond to the figures long making the rounds that Sanders primary voters voted the Democratic nominee (Clinton) at a higher rate than Clinton primary voters in 2008? And Sanders himself unequivocally campaigned for her after she gained the nomination.

One could argue that Sanders fills his own niche too, could you not? Considering that a bunch of candidates have been doing things like disavowing corporate PAC spending I think there is a definite shift to the left. Which is a good thing.
I mean relative to each other. Sanders' niche is "broad-spectrum social democrat". It wouldn't be right to say that Sanders is equivalent to Harris or the rest in politics, except from perspectives like that of a Communist who genuinely views all non-communists equally.


All this still seems capricious to me. Every single one of these people and organizations - the Democratic Party included - is nothing more than a tool for our interests. They don't need our love or inspiration, only our confidence. We'll pick this subject up again if Sanders decides to run.