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    Default Re: A change in British politics... or a blip?

    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Let me quoite what you said:
    This applies to every corporation on a market, if it doesn't change with the market, its survival isn't guaranteed. So please excuse me for thinking of a market when you didn't say the word but described a market mechanic instead.

    Without interpreting your post in any way, what exactly are you talking about? It's just a heavily generic statement that I can't apply to anything. Give an example. How does it apply to Brexit? The institution of the EU isn't dead and seems to survive quite well so far, so how does what you say even apply? Or how does Brexit even change anything radically given that the French revolution showed that the survival of the insitution of monarchy wasn't guaranteed? A much larger event than your puny Brexit given that monarchy was around for far, far longer than the EU or whatever you're talking about.
    no. any link to the market or market solutions is something you have inferred, and not something mentioned, implied or intended in my original text.

    it isn't a complex idea, or even a controversial one. simply put:
    most things in life are quasi stable, we recognise and rail against this fact when we complain about stasis in all manner of domains.
    however, life throws curve-balls, and some of these changes are so disruptive that they dislodge the domain from its quasi stable state.
    equilibrium always returns, but that does not mean that the new quasi-stable state is anything similar to the status-quo-ante.

    this basic truth applies to politics, it applies to climate change, it applies to almost all complex systems.

    my point - in the context of how this rule applies to politics - is that the institutions form in response to the quasi-stable state, and the longer that state endure the more they ossify and the more their perceived validity becomes an unconscious assumption.
    however, if you introduce such violent change that the world ends up in a new quasi stable state, then those ossified institutions no longer fit the world they exist to shape, and people are forced to question those unconscious assumptions.

    in this new post-brexit world it is hubris of the highest order to assume that [your] favoured institutions will still be universally upheld as valuable and worthy of continued support.

    this applies to the political parties (tories, labour, etc)
    this applies to social institutions (such as the NHS)
    this applies to political institutions (such as fptp voting and monarchy)
    this applies to defence and foreign policy (i.e. our activist FP and continued nuclear posture)
    and yes, it does apply to the accepted business climate (how the public wants to interact with the market)

    hopefully this is not too generic?
    Last edited by Furunculus; 02-24-2019 at 13:00.
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