Ukraine Thread

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Sadly, I doubt that. Ukraine is not a NATO member, the Russians are quite close and Western logistics much more tenuous, and NATO in general shows a decided disinterest in bleeding to advance its agenda. Since that is the only currency that counts in this kind of thing...

You Americans, so sentimental.

Shutting Russia out of the Crimea and Karlingrad leaves most of their fleet ice-locked for half the year.

NATO is an alliance of convenience, strategic convenience, and Russian aggression is inconvenient - makes trade difficult.

Plus - it's 27/06/19 and Putin is still basically a Fascist.

[Montmorency]

most of their fleet ice-locked for half the year.

Well...

[Gilrandir]

You Americans, so sentimental.

Shutting Russia out of the Crimea and Karlingrad leaves most of their fleet ice-locked for half the year.

NATO is an alliance of convenience, strategic convenience, and Russian aggression is inconvenient - makes trade difficult.

Plus - it's 27/06/19 and Putin is still basically a Fascist.

Are the British any better? May supported returning Russia to PACE. After Salisbury poisoning too!
Conclusion: when it is about the money values are forgotten.

[Gilrandir]

Proofs of Russian involvement in Ukraine summarized:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...t-human-rights

[Montmorency]

Just want to post some good news: Russian alcohol consumption has decreased by 43% from its 2003 peak, and life expectancy has reached an all-time high.

[Gilrandir]

Just want to post some good news: Russian alcohol consumption has decreased by 43% from its 2003 peak, and life expectancy has reached an all-time high.

And that bears on Ukraine because...

[Montmorency]

And that bears on Ukraine because...

Close enough for Org standards. The only other option is the Weird News thread.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Might have been a better option, maybe a mod could move it?

How's this new President working out, anyway?

[Crandar]

Even if a candidate has the best intentions (Zhelensky didn't), nepotism and corruption cannot be influenced decisively by a single change in the presidential office. It's easy to believe that difficult problems can be fixed with easy solutions, but reality is somewhat grimmer. Ukraine will become a more transparent and efficient country only gradually and slowly, while Zhelensky will probably experience a meteoric fall, similar to his recent rise. Unless he's a talented orator and can distract the sheep by vandalising old statues.

And that bears on Ukraine because...

It's fine Gilrandir, the Ukrainian TV mentioned it around 4 a.m. yesterday, so that makes it totally on-topic.

[Gilrandir]

It's easy to believe that difficult problems can be fixed with easy solutions

This was what Zelensky promised during his election campaign. When asked how can the war in Donbas be stopped he said "One just has to stop shooting".

Ukraine will become a more transparent and efficient country only gradually and slowly

It was moving that way, but evidently many people thought that the movement shoud be rocket like - and elected the one who promised that.

It's fine Gilrandir, the Ukrainian TV mentioned it around 4 a.m. yesterday, so that makes it totally on-topic.

You watch Ukrainian TV at 4 a.m?