UK General Election 2019

[Idaho]

Oh come now, Ken Livingstone, that guy from the NEC claiming the whole thing was a Jewish cover-up and he's "never" seen any antisemitism in the part, the "antiracism" activisit who actually got thrown out for being antisemitic.

All Corbyn allies.

To say nothing of his links to Hamas.

They were/are Corbyn supporters. Not sure that's the same as an ally.

As for Hamas... That's a while other thread that never ends.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

They were/are Corbyn supporters. Not sure that's the same as an ally.

As for Hamas... That's a while other thread that never ends.

There's also this:

[Idaho]

While your at it, how about this:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...unciation.html

Utterly ridiculous. I have a German Jewish surname that gets pronounced a number of different ways. Some of which are much more accurate to how it would be pronounced in Germany now and in the past. Calling this anti-Semitic is just pathetic barrel scraping.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

While your at it, how about this:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...unciation.html

Utterly ridiculous. I have a German Jewish surname that gets pronounced a number of different ways. Some of which are much more accurate to how it would be pronounced in Germany now and in the past. Calling this anti-Semitic is just pathetic barrel scraping.

I'm not sure it's "utterly ridiculous", probably a bit overwrought but it isn't ridiculous. I think the issue here is, again, Corbyn. I can think of a number of reasons to pronounce the name Epstein in a specifically Germanic way - one is to highlight its Jewishness, another is because you're a pompous git. If it weren't for the miasma that now surrounds Corbyn I'd say it was probably the latter.

[Idaho]

I'm not sure it's "utterly ridiculous", probably a bit overwrought but it isn't ridiculous. I think the issue here is, again, Corbyn. I can think of a number of reasons to pronounce the name Epstein in a specifically Germanic way - one is to highlight its Jewishness, another is because you're a pompous git. If it weren't for the miasma that now surrounds Corbyn I'd say it was probably the latter.

I might pronounce it Ep-steyn or Ep-steen or Ep-shtine or Ep-shteen. Depends on my mood, and perhaps when I last came across the name (and hence it's pronunciation). It would be pathetic if it wasn't so clearly a shrieking defence of specific political interests.

[Pannonian]

And the Tories do it again. Just ahead of the release of the Labour manifesto, they do an attack site titled labourmanifesto.co.uk. Does it matter to Tory voters any more that the party lies and deceives as a matter of course?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

And the Tories do it again. Just ahead of the release of the Labour manifesto, they do an attack site titled labourmanifesto.co.uk. Does it matter to Tory voters any more that the party lies and deceives as a matter of course?

It matters very much to our Trump voters that Trump does so -- it is part of why they love him. It is all about taking the fight to the evil lefties, which end justifies almost any means short of child murder.

[rory_20_uk]

And the Tories do it again. Just ahead of the release of the Labour manifesto, they do an attack site titled labourmanifesto.co.uk. Does it matter to Tory voters any more that the party lies and deceives as a matter of course?

It does matter. It is such a shame that all parties could not promise to Leave. Since if that were the case I'd probably vote Lib Dems.

[Beskar]

And the Tories do it again. Just ahead of the release of the Labour manifesto, they do an attack site titled labourmanifesto.co.uk. Does it matter to Tory voters any more that the party lies and deceives as a matter of course?

Some random set up the https://www.thetorymanifesto.com/ in response which is now making its rounds.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I might pronounce it Ep-steyn or Ep-steen or Ep-shtine or Ep-shteen. Depends on my mood, and perhaps when I last came across the name (and hence it's pronunciation). It would be pathetic if it wasn't so clearly a shrieking defence of specific political interests.

The thing is, the man in question always pronounced in Ep-steen. There's also the fact that linking his Jewishness to child abuse is a version of the old "Blood Libel".

Like I say, could just be Corbyn being a pretentious git - but that's still a bad thing.

[Idaho]

There's also this:

That's shocking in how utterly transparent mainstream defence of Israel is being turned into concern trolling. I wouldn't be surprised if these people were hand picked and coached.

One of them even had the nerve to talk about not listening to a marginalised community, just days after the Israeli military bombed a house killing an entire family, and shrugged it off saying that it was just a mistake. While another on this video is concerned that imports of kosher biscuits might be affected and that sends chills through them. Absolutely disgraceful.

[Idaho]

There's also this:

This video is the equal and opposite of this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-antisemitism

Both are essentially bollocks. Click bait for the converted. It's news pumped out like viruses or bacteria. It's meant for someone to click on and paste somewhere - like you and me have done. The advertisers get the money (Google probably in both cases, and the respective "newspapers" get a cut. But does it actually mean anything Phillip? Is it just internet froth manipulated by advertisers, media pundits and political backers?

Of course there is a kernel of truth in both. But there is a kernel of truth in most bland, circumstantial correlations.

Is this as good as it gets?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

This video is the equal and opposite of this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-antisemitism

Both are essentially bollocks. Click bait for the converted. It's news pumped out like viruses or bacteria. It's meant for someone to click on and paste somewhere - like you and me have done. The advertisers get the money (Google probably in both cases, and the respective "newspapers" get a cut. But does it actually mean anything Phillip? Is it just internet froth manipulated by advertisers, media pundits and political backers?

Of course there is a kernel of truth in both. But there is a kernel of truth in most bland, circumstantial correlations.

Is this as good as it gets?

Honestly, I personally find the preponderance of evidence of Corbyn's antisemitism persuasive. It's not the relationship with Ken Livingstone (although they were close), it's not the forward to the book (though the book was a foundational text for 20th Century antisemitism), it's not the mural (though that's obviously peddling a conspiracy theory), it's not even the time Corbyn insinuated "Zionists" weren't properly English.

It's the whole shebang, Idaho - it's when you take more than two of those things and you have to ask "how stupid is he?" This Epshtien thing is just the latest example - and it DOES feed directly into the medieval blood-libel.

So, really, this election is about choosing between Boris Johnson who's entire political philosophy seems to be quoting Cicero and expediency, and Corbyn who's pretty definitely probably might be an antisemite.

[Pannonian]

Honestly, I personally find the preponderance of evidence of Corbyn's antisemitism persuasive. It's not the relationship with Ken Livingstone (although they were close), it's not the forward to the book (though the book was a foundational text for 20th Century antisemitism), it's not the mural (though that's obviously peddling a conspiracy theory), it's not even the time Corbyn insinuated "Zionists" weren't properly English.

It's the whole shebang, Idaho - it's when you take more than two of those things and you have to ask "how stupid is he?" This Epshtien thing is just the latest example - and it DOES feed directly into the medieval blood-libel.

So, really, this election is about choosing between Boris Johnson who's entire political philosophy seems to be quoting Cicero and expediency, and Corbyn who's pretty definitely probably might be an antisemite.

Are you trying to paint it that Johnson is a political pragmatist while Corbyn is defined by antisemitism? Antisemitism is just one form of racism, against Jews. Corbyn is antisemitic by association, damned because he's too dumb to disassociate from friends who are antisemitic. He himself associates with them because he is dogmatically anti-west, the kind Orwell satirised in his essays. OTOH, Johnson is directly racist, against multiple groups (I can find direct quotes against blacks, Muslims, and within the UK, against Scousers). You'll find stuff in his record that you won't find in Corbyn's. Corbyn is an idiot who recognises what he does himself but isn't bright enough to see beyond it. Johnson is a genuinely unpleasant and prejudiced individual.

About his political pragmatism: no he's not. You're fooling yourself if you think it. He's just a lazy bastard who does what his handlers tell him to. His "journalistic" record is reflective of his political record. He doesn't research. He doesn't bother to learn about what he's talking about. He just blags on the spot, trusting to his "charm" and classical education to give him a quote whenever it's demanded. His handlers have learned that this leads to trouble, so he's now kept from unplanned questions (how many PMQs has he faced?), and his shtick consists of hammering on a few memes with some rhetorical tricks to bring everything back to those few memes. If you think it's a good idea to be ruled by the likes of Cummings, then say it out loud.

[Furunculus]

We could instead have seamus “bring the revolution” milne - commissar of citizen doctrinal purity!

easy choice.... :D

[Pannonian]

We could instead have seamus “bring the revolution” milne - commissar of citizen doctrinal purity!

easy choice.... :D

You probably have more positive feelings for Seumas (sic) Milne than I do. There's a man who was expelled by the British Communist Party for being extremist. If you want me to defend the current Labour leadership, you're out of luck. I'm more scathing about them than you could ever be.

[Beskar]

On that whole anti-Semitism vein. I saw a share on Facebook which appeared to be a Palestinian website (from name) saying about how apparently Boris Johnston is a Zionist who loves Israel. I didn't click or look further as I was busy looking for something work related but I was like "Yeah... No...".

Edit: Found the thing on Google http://www.palestinechronicle.com/bo...i-love-israel/