UK General Election 2019

[Idaho]

While your at it, how about this:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...unciation.html

Utterly ridiculous. I have a German Jewish surname that gets pronounced a number of different ways. Some of which are much more accurate to how it would be pronounced in Germany now and in the past. Calling this anti-Semitic is just pathetic barrel scraping.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

While your at it, how about this:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...unciation.html

Utterly ridiculous. I have a German Jewish surname that gets pronounced a number of different ways. Some of which are much more accurate to how it would be pronounced in Germany now and in the past. Calling this anti-Semitic is just pathetic barrel scraping.

I'm not sure it's "utterly ridiculous", probably a bit overwrought but it isn't ridiculous. I think the issue here is, again, Corbyn. I can think of a number of reasons to pronounce the name Epstein in a specifically Germanic way - one is to highlight its Jewishness, another is because you're a pompous git. If it weren't for the miasma that now surrounds Corbyn I'd say it was probably the latter.

[Idaho]

I'm not sure it's "utterly ridiculous", probably a bit overwrought but it isn't ridiculous. I think the issue here is, again, Corbyn. I can think of a number of reasons to pronounce the name Epstein in a specifically Germanic way - one is to highlight its Jewishness, another is because you're a pompous git. If it weren't for the miasma that now surrounds Corbyn I'd say it was probably the latter.

I might pronounce it Ep-steyn or Ep-steen or Ep-shtine or Ep-shteen. Depends on my mood, and perhaps when I last came across the name (and hence it's pronunciation). It would be pathetic if it wasn't so clearly a shrieking defence of specific political interests.

[Pannonian]

And the Tories do it again. Just ahead of the release of the Labour manifesto, they do an attack site titled labourmanifesto.co.uk. Does it matter to Tory voters any more that the party lies and deceives as a matter of course?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

And the Tories do it again. Just ahead of the release of the Labour manifesto, they do an attack site titled labourmanifesto.co.uk. Does it matter to Tory voters any more that the party lies and deceives as a matter of course?

It matters very much to our Trump voters that Trump does so -- it is part of why they love him. It is all about taking the fight to the evil lefties, which end justifies almost any means short of child murder.

[Pannonian]

It matters very much to our Trump voters that Trump does so -- it is part of why they love him. It is all about taking the fight to the evil lefties, which end justifies almost any means short of child murder.

AFAIK, or at least I used to believe so, there isn't the same wellspring of virulent hatred in the UK of anything deemed left of centre. Policy-wise, left of centre politics would still get the support of a clear majority of the people.

[Greyblades]

As loath as I am to interupt the blonde/orange man bad circle jerk, might I recomend actually looking at what the back patting is over?

Its a pretty odd method of deception to have "A WEBSITE BY THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY" right under the page title.

[rory_20_uk]

And the Tories do it again. Just ahead of the release of the Labour manifesto, they do an attack site titled labourmanifesto.co.uk. Does it matter to Tory voters any more that the party lies and deceives as a matter of course?

It does matter. It is such a shame that all parties could not promise to Leave. Since if that were the case I'd probably vote Lib Dems.

[Greyblades]

It does matter. It is such a shame that all parties could not promise to Leave. Since if that were the case I'd probably vote Lib Dems.

Hm, I think if it was the case I'd not vote at all, what I want is just plain not on offer. I was hopeful that the purge of the wets would turn the conservatives into something worth voting for, but I still see signs they are as intrusively parternalistic as ever.

The closest is what the lib dems should be, sadly the liberal part seems completely subsumed by the social democrat end.

As for lies and deception... they're politicians I dont know a time when they werent all like that.
They should kindly take a running jump with thier "This is beyond the pale, my side would/has never done something like that" faux outrage.

[Pannonian]

Hm, I think if it was the case I'd not vote at all, what I want is just plain not on offer. I was hopeful that the purge of the wets would turn the conservatives into something worth voting for, but I still see signs they are as intrusively parternalistic as ever.

The closest is what the lib dems should be, sadly the liberal part seems completely subsumed by the social democrat end.

As for lies and deception... they're politicians I dont know a time when they werent all like that.
They should kindly take a running jump with thier "This is beyond the pale, my side would/has never done something like that" faux outrage.

Politicians used to deceive by omission. Outright lies were a matter for resignation. See the episode of Yes Prime Minister where Hacker assures the Commons on something that he'd been mistaken about, and worries the whole episode over having to resign if anyone found out. The current PM has a justified reputation for lying every time he opens his mouth, and not just from ignorance, but knowingly repeating confirmed lies. In the UK, this current has only really been in evidence since Brexit (on the Leave side), and taken up since then by the Tory radicals (the ones you want to control the party, since you want rid of the wets).

See Corbyn for an example of the traditional UK politician's way of deceiving, by omission. I dislike him, but he is completely different from Johnson. Johnson is Trump in terms of propensity to plain lie.

[Beskar]

And the Tories do it again. Just ahead of the release of the Labour manifesto, they do an attack site titled labourmanifesto.co.uk. Does it matter to Tory voters any more that the party lies and deceives as a matter of course?

Some random set up the https://www.thetorymanifesto.com/ in response which is now making its rounds.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I might pronounce it Ep-steyn or Ep-steen or Ep-shtine or Ep-shteen. Depends on my mood, and perhaps when I last came across the name (and hence it's pronunciation). It would be pathetic if it wasn't so clearly a shrieking defence of specific political interests.

The thing is, the man in question always pronounced in Ep-steen. There's also the fact that linking his Jewishness to child abuse is a version of the old "Blood Libel".

Like I say, could just be Corbyn being a pretentious git - but that's still a bad thing.