Former British Colony in Downward Spiral of Ethnic Violence, State Security Impunity

[Gilrandir]

Non-Hispanic whites are 60.4% of US population; Hispanic/Latinx 18.3%; Black 13.4%; Asian 5.9%; Native Americans 1.3%; all others 3%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a..._United_States

Incarceration per 100,000 by race: White (male & female) 769/100k; Black (male & female) 4607/100k; Hispanic (male & female) 1908/100k.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarc..._United_States

So African Americans are put in jail at a rate 6x that of whites, even though the white population is nearly 5x that of the black population; Latinx are jailed at a rate 2.5x that of whites even though the white population is nearly 3.5x greater.

A few more facts just for shits and giggles:

https://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/



The list goes on and on:

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-06-0...wty/index.html

Consider yourself schooled...

None of that is relevant to the excessive use of force, or why many large police forces have budgets bigger than some countries

Your attempts at schooling me went astray. Perhaps because you were trying to show different statistics. I was talking of the percentage of blacks working in the police. As it turned out, it is larger than the percentage of blacks among the US population. And police as a whole is biased against blacks, as you claim. These two statements are at odds with each other.

So your next hometask: re-read my post on it and try to explain why having disproportionate number of blacks in the police (as the statistics have it) results in the boost in the excessive use of force (as you claim).

The presence of guns doesn't justify the militarization of police forces. The United Kingdom created London Metropolitan Police in the 1830s, prior to public disarmament. [

But the disarmament did happen! And after two hundred years bobbies don't have arms either. If the US starts public disarmament now in 2220 the current problem will peter out.

Therefore, police force is only proportional to the need of self-defense, there is no legitimacy in using force for aggressive or preventive measures.

Aren't preventive measures a kind of self-defense in advance?

And yet, most of the civilian firearms are held by white conservatives, who tend to receive the most deferential or light touch.

Perhaps it is because there are more whites in the USA? And I'm more than sure that most guns owned by non-whites (who are poorer) are non-registered and illegal.

Which is not just a problem of fairness but one of institutional integrity as police departments are notoriously overrun by Neo-Nazis and the like.

So a disproportionate percentage of blacks in the police work back to back with Neo-Nazis and never mind it, moreover they learn from them to mistreart their race?

If the victim was of a different ethnicity from the offender, the possibility of a hate crime should be evaluated. Especially in the context of ongoing violent national conflict.

My post was to show that sometimes a crime is just a crime so there is no need to try to see some ideology behind it. Or, alternately, if you wish to see ideology behind every crime it won't be hard to find it (as I showed in my suppositional review).

Your assumption is not the case.

Painting the victim as an angel (by the way, he was arrested on suspicion of forgery - was it just an unjustified suspicion or did he have fake money on him?) and burying him in a golden casket is quite enough to engender my assumption. If you see it differently, it is your assumption. I believe mine isn't worse than yours.

As for homework, look up "structural racism" and "overpolicing."

I'm put in mind of this old ditty.

So you think this children's poem is racist? And Africa wasn't used for the sake of rhythm? So if the poetic meter required "America" or "Asia" Chukovsky would still use "Africa" because he was a racist?
Then you could start seeing racial bias in everything starting with any chess composition where белые начинают и выигрывают.

[Idaho]

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[Gilrandir]

Unfortunately Eastern Europe has as high a population of unreconstructed white racists as the US, ---------

I would greatly be obliged if you cited anything of my posts that enable you to make such a conclusion.

[ReluctantSamurai]

So your next hometask: re-read my post on it and try to explain why having disproportionate number of blacks in the police (as the statistics have it) results in the boost in the excessive use of force (as you claim).

Some fact checking:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...line_manual_35

Police departments across the country have become less overwhelmingly white since the 1990s, according to a study published by the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics last fall. The agency’s survey of police departments found that the share of white non-Hispanic police fell from 78.5 percent in 1997 to 71.5 percent in 2016.

The white share of the country’s population, however, fell over that time from 72 percent to 63 percent, so the change in police did not keep pace with demographic change.

In some communities, the population is relatively balanced between white and nonwhite, but the vast majority of the police are white. In Wayne County, Mich., which includes Detroit, about 78 percent of the police are white, compared with 49 percent of the people. Baltimore County, which surrounds Baltimore City but does not include it, has about 85 percent white police patrolling an area that is 57 percent white. Milwaukee County, Wis., has about 83 percent white police and 51 percent white residents.

So, consistantly, far higher proportion of white officers to black officers even in areas that have a proportionately higher population of non-whites.

The key part in that article, to me, is this:

A University of Maryland criminologist found that crime rates in minority neighborhoods are lower when local police and government diversity matches the community. “When you have diverse police departments, diverse governments broadly speaking, that sets in motion dynamics that filter down to the community that galvanizes trust. That helps reduce crime,” said María Vélez, an associate professor in criminal justice.

So I'd be curious what data you used to say that there are a 'disproportional number of blacks in police'? Excessive use of force? How about this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTFNEbUcStQ

This article is a take on the recent calls for police reforms from current and former black officers:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...1ff_story.html

“Brooks [Rayshard Brooks] got the better of two officers, and I know it was embarrassing because it’s on video,” Taylor says. Police officers, she says, “will talk about each other to no end. ‘You let someone take your Taser? You have no business in this job.’ When that person turns that same Taser on you, you think, ‘I’ll shoot them’? That was about ego.”

David J. Thomas, the retired officer who’s now a counselor in Florida, has been thinking about Derek Chauvin, the Minneapolis officer who knelt on George Floyd’s neck before his death. He watched the videos of Chauvin kneeling on his neck and saw the problem of police culture in Chauvin’s face — as he registers that his actions are being documented. “He’s looking at the kid who’s videoing him on the phone,” Thomas says, and “he was comfortable in that. That meant to me that he had done this a thousand times before. And he was supported by the organizational culture in the union, and he would not get in trouble.”

[Gilrandir]

So, consistantly, far higher proportion of white officers to black officers even in areas that have a proportionately higher population of non-whites.

So I'd be curious what data you used to say that there are a 'disproportional number of blacks in police'?

When I said about the disproportional number of black policemen I didn't mean that they exceeded the number of white policemen. I meant that the percentage of black population in the US (11.7%) was lower than the percentage of black cops among all US cops (12.8%).
The data from: https://datausa.io/profile/soc/police-officers

Excessive use of force? How about this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTFNEbUcStQ

I never denied the excessive use of force by US policemen (as probably by cops in many countries). And I think it should be punished. By the way, are black cops involved in excessive force use as well? Or are they allowed to do that because they are black? Black lives matter and other lives are expendable?

But I wonder would there be much uproar if the excessive force was used against a person of any other race. As the case of OJ Simpson showed, implicating race into criminal investigations may give it a non-objective bias. One thing that is considered somehow justified for people of one race is stigmatized as a racism when people of other race do the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrH3SbMhEGA

Can you imagine the reaction of the society if white people made blacks kiss their boots?

So a conclusion: a crime is a crime whoever commits it. And it should be punished. Police brutality is police brutality no matter against whom it is directed. And it should be punished.

If a hardened criminal is murdered by policemen when he did nothing to deserve such a treatment it is a crime. And it should be punished.

But his violent and unjustified death doesn't atone for his crimes committed against other people who did nothing to deserve it either. Consequently, no eulogies for him, no stories of how good and merciful and nice he had been, no golden caskets and knee-bending. No matter what race he was.

[ReluctantSamurai]

the percentage of black population in the US (11.7%) was lower than the percentage of black cops among all US cops (12.8%).

If you consider a 1.1% difference to be disproportionate, so be it....

By the way, are black cops involved in excessive force use as well?

I'm sure that they are. However, they are far less likely to fire their weapon when dispatched to a black neighborhood:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

Based on information from more than two million 911 calls in two US cities, he concluded that white officers dispatched to Black neighbourhoods fired their guns five times as often as Black officers dispatched for similar calls to the same neighbourhoods.

In fact, except for one anomaly, black police officers fired their weapons less no matter the racial composition of the neighborhood during the course of answering those 1.2 million 9-1-1 calls.....

Statistical studies about racial differences for police officers in the use of force are out there, I'm sure. But they are damn hard to find, and I've no patience to spend hours digging

[CrossLOPER]

If you consider a 1.1% difference to be disproportionate, so be it....

What are you? A scientist? A statistician? Are you gonna throw phrases like "statistically insignificant" at me? Well I got news for you: I have 40 or 50 sacrificial animals in my back yard at any given time. Divination and liver reading is how I make all of my important decisions. /jk