Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
Does leadership only mean wars to you? China has been throwing its weight around in east Asia, Russia has been funding destabilising movements in the UK and US, neither requiring war, yet both would be curtailed or reduced with something like Clinton-era US leadership in the political field. Would you rather everyone be atomised and left to the likes of China and Russia to prey on?
China is throwing their weight around Asia. Why shouldn't they be? They've put up with nukes off their coast and an American fleet parked in what they view as a rebel province for decades. Given we appear to be in a post-woke world where everyone is equally valued and so on why is what their culture does worse than what we do? I am a dinosaur and I personally (and very quietly these days) believe that cultures can and should be proponents of values they hold as "right" and declare others to be "wrong" but such old beliefs have no place any more.

I am unclear what "leadership" would stop China and Russia with their cyberwarfare given atypical warfare since the capture of the Crimea by Russia has been shown to work well... And America / Israel / the UK and many others are also at it, against both enemies, allies, their own people and NGOs. America, Europe and elsewhere purchase so much from China that without a strong Government forcing home grown industries this isn't likely to change.