Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Visor]

@GeneralHankerchief

you're gonna have to really walk me through this one because ephem seems perfectly fine to me?

seems like a more together version of his game in the second half of the invitational

maybe he's confident because he randed wolf, who knows, but he seems fine to me?

[Dolby]

I am getting different vibes from GH dropping Csargo into the POE than GH doing the same to beeboy in the team game, which is pretty notable given that these are pretty similar contexts. Points to a few things about his tone in a way that's somewhat different than the beeboy analysis where he was pretty clearly angling away from a beeboy yeet in that game imo. I don't really have a take on Csargo since I got burned I think it was the last time I played a game with him where I didn't sub out.

Probably gonna continue to drop in and out of thread

[Ephemeral]

hi ur cute

stuff ok, busy week so far but gonna get a lot easier after tomorrow morning feelsgoodman

how u



man idk

dya's push on esooa is weird

i've only read things on this page and barely

ephemeral/sunbae seem good

HOT TAKES

pretty good I'm binging money heist still

cool show as a whole even though the last few episodes kind of pissed me off for [spoiler] raisins

glad to hear you're gonna be getting some breathing room out there :p

[dyachei]

everyone else: dya isn't do enough in the thread
dya does something
everyone else: I don't like what dya did

why do I even try

[Arapocalypse]

I'm more wondering if you feel like individual people are solidifying worlds at a faster rate than you'd expect. My impression has been a lot of the people who tend to jump to conclusions have been doing so, but it's not a thread-wide thing nor do I feel like people who don't tend to lock in on specific PoEs early are doing so at a higher rate or vice versa.

I'm not sure if it's at a faster rate than I'd expect? Maybe it is; guess I'm moreso surprised at people feeling that high level of confidence in reads to get there like that, in this sort of gamestate!!

Might do a quantum readlist before EoD, if I feel like it; certainly internally at some point!!!!

[Sunbae]

everyone else: dya isn't do enough in the thread
dya does something
everyone else: I don't like what dya did

why do I even try

Fwiw I've moved you from someone I voted to a villa read so I don't think it's been pointless! But I understand the frustrations

[Arapocalypse]

hi ur cute

stuff ok, busy week so far but gonna get a lot easier after tomorrow morning feelsgoodman

how u



man idk

dya's push on esooa is weird

i've only read things on this page and barely

ephemeral/sunbae seem good

HOT TAKES

Hi Manasi!!!

Why do Ephemeral/Sunbae seem good, from this page?

[Dolby]

everyone else: dya isn't do enough in the thread
dya does something
everyone else: I don't like what dya did

why do I even try

I don't like this thing that dya did

[ColonelLubriderm]

@GeneralHankerchief

you're gonna have to really walk me through this one because ephem seems perfectly fine to me?

seems like a more together version of his game in the second half of the invitational

maybe he's confident because he randed wolf, who knows, but he seems fine to me?

You're not thinking about this like a Roman. Imagine you're Imperator Scipio facing down the horde's of the encroaching Hannibal. You don't beat mountaineering elephants with brute force, you use tactics. You need to divide and conquer. Like at the battle of Limpus Gladiores, they drew in the Elephant Calvary to the center of the field while the Roman phalanx pincered them on either side striking their knees with arrows and other sharp bits. It is through tactics like these the Romans one. And how does this apply to Ephemeral you ask? simple, you see in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer's table

[Ephemeral]

eph it feels very much like you want me to play the game like i normally do when I simply cannot this game

and when I do start to get into it I just get more why aren't you playing the way I want you to play?

because I'm busy

I mean... no?

but I dunno how you expect me to factor stuff like that into my read of your slot

[Ephemeral]

everyone else: dya isn't do enough in the thread
dya does something
everyone else: I don't like what dya did

why do I even try

that kinda sounds like my mood in rocks🤧

[Arapocalypse]

OK I have a some time rn so I will ISO Csargo, Dya, and Ampharos (my slot).
@Visor, @pzelda: abort mission. This is a fail.

Hi Raskolnikov, welcome to the mafia hype!!!!

Why'd you choose Csargo/Dya to ISO?

[GeneralHankerchief]

@GeneralHankerchief

you're gonna have to really walk me through this one because ephem seems perfectly fine to me?

seems like a more together version of his game in the second half of the invitational

maybe he's confident because he randed wolf, who knows, but he seems fine to me?

I'm monitoring it.

It's possible that I'm giving him too much of a expectation w/r/t the macro (overall solving level, (which I still feel is low) etc) when that might not be his style, idk. I also haven't been a fan of the way he's engaged specifically me in terms of my push, and it's giving me flashbacks to my own behavior in teamgame (though obviously not to the same extent). Specifically, it feels like that he's focusing the parts where I've tripped myself up a bit (the misapplied meta, the Maple thing) rather than the core point of my push, which could easily be an error of emphasis on my part but I don't think so. More damningly, I think he's doing this focus intentionally.

I'm kinda getting cold feet about all of the main wagons for the most part, but I also don't want to throw caution to the wind because my towns have been, well, townie. That plus the fact that I have no desire whatsoever to participate in a 2+ hour EOD here means I'm probably just gonna lurk for a while and see how I feel.

[Ephemeral]

I'm monitoring it.

It's possible that I'm giving him too much of a expectation w/r/t the macro (overall solving level, (which I still feel is low) etc) when that might not be his style, idk. I also haven't been a fan of the way he's engaged specifically me in terms of my push, and it's giving me flashbacks to my own behavior in teamgame (though obviously not to the same extent). Specifically, it feels like that he's focusing the parts where I've tripped myself up a bit (the misapplied meta, the Maple thing) rather than the core point of my push, which could easily be an error of emphasis on my part but I don't think so. More damningly, I think he's doing this focus intentionally.

I'm kinda getting cold feet about all of the main wagons for the most part, but I also don't want to throw caution to the wind because my towns have been, well, townie. That plus the fact that I have no desire whatsoever to participate in a 2+ hour EOD here means I'm probably just gonna lurk for a while and see how I feel.

Is there like

a frame of reference for this "expectation"?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Is there like

a frame of reference for this "expectation"?

Not really.

[ColonelLubriderm]

im curious to see the next vote tally

[Arapocalypse]

I've read it and have no relevant thoughts, sorry. I think it's something I'm fine with being pursued more if you feel like it should be but I can't say I'm on board either. I thought the first section of your concerns about not towntelling in the first two hours while others did wasn't really something I think too much about. Like by that logic you should be sketchy of me too or something. The second part is something I'm unsure on as well because I personally don't feel you're an "easy" or "lazy" target to push out of the gate as scum (and in your example its eph W, gh V).

With all that said though I'm trying to keep a more ... hands off ... approach this game and just letting others do their thing after I kinda hijacked the game for two game days last time to push my own read through. So even though I don't really see it myself at the moment I'm not going to fight some pressure there and trust you enough to do your own thing.

Hypothetically speaking, if you were to hijack the game and push your most confident read through, what would you be pushing and/or defending?

[Ephemeral]

Not really.

then

what

idgi

[GeneralHankerchief]

btw bop, "Limpus Gladiores" is just an incredible touch.

[GeneralHankerchief]

then

what

idgi

A common trait in townies?

[Raskolnikov]

I think I am pocketed by ColonelLubriderm off one post. good job

[Sunbae]

Hypothetically speaking, if you were to hijack the game and push your most confident read through, what would you be pushing and/or defending?

Don't have a take over the read level read

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #1042

4 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Hally)

3 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)
2 GeneralHankerchief (Cuthillius, Ephemeral)
2 pzelda (Montmorency, Dolby)

1 Cuthillius (Maple)
1 Ephemeral (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Maple (Esooa)
1 Raskolnikov (pzelda)



gonna be afk for a bit (nom nom), but I should be back in time to fire out tallies with grace and speed during eod

[Manasi]

pretty good I'm binging money heist still

cool show as a whole even though the last few episodes kind of pissed me off for [spoiler] raisins

glad to hear you're gonna be getting some breathing room out there :p

how many eps is money heist? voxx and i are almost halfway done with how to get away with murder. it's addictingg oh my goodness.

ya world sucks but a week off should be nice. :)

Hi Manasi!!!

Why do Ephemeral/Sunbae seem good, from this page?

toan and wim in short

seems to be trying to find answers etc

i'm vibing with it

[GeneralHankerchief]

Let me put it this way Eph, you are currently focusing on me and voting me for what I mostly perceive to be my push on you. You have singled out individual aspects of the push (which I freely admit to be weaker) without commenting on the core point or two until a few minutes ago, when I directly called you out for doing this. This is pretty much the extent of our interactions, especially in the later part, and you have reduced my positional status in the game to what I consider to be minutiae like tonal differences, even kind of blowing that off:

I'll give that his tone is a little better than rocks/team game

but if that's all it takes to give a green light when his pushes are still terrible

I start to wonder whether we're talking about GH or a toddler who just picked up ww

I have talked about you certainly, but I am by no means exclusively focused on you, and I think I've made pretty solid and thoughtful points on a number of contentious slots in the game, such as Amy/Rask, Csargo, Monty, Dolby to a lesser extent, etc. I haven't seen a hint of you taking those points into account of your read on me. Does the scope of my solving efforts not override my individual push on you? There wasn't really any major "pushes" in there, but it's still useful to get the game on lockdown. Does my interactions with others not factor in either? I don't think it's all down to tone. That sort of thing.

Bottom line, I don't think you're actively trying to solve here - me, or others. Your responses to me could easily be little more than townie frustration about what you think is a bad push (and it might very well be!) but I think you're intentionally missing the bigger picture, instead focusing on little things you can score points off of, and that trait is pretty damn near a universal scum tell imo.

[Ephemeral]

how many eps is money heist? voxx and i are almost halfway done with how to get away with murder. it's addictingg oh my goodness.

ya world sucks but a week off should be nice. :)



toan and wim in short

seems to be trying to find answers etc

i'm vibing with it

31 total episodes spread across 4 parts(basically season 1 is composed of parts 1-2 and season 2 of parts 3-4) with a final season coming supposedly sometime in 2021

how to get away with murder is on my list too, watched a few eps last year but put it on hold because I got busy/distracted with other stuff. Def gonna be looking forward to continuing it soon-ish(probably after I finish money heist since I'm literally on the last episode lol)

[Raskolnikov]

Hi Raskolnikov, welcome to the mafia hype!!!!

Why'd you choose Csargo/Dya to ISO?

Heya!
Because they were top wagons and would like to avoid yeeting a townie? tbh I started with my slot and then glanced at Visor's. I am doing it now (together with reading the thread and other uninspiring stuff).

fwiw I didn't like Dya's most recent posting. well voting Esooa could be a thing a townie with few time/motivation could do but it's still very cheap (I actually villa read that post where Esooa claimed to have forgotten why she voted Idon'trememberwho in the first place; much easier for scum to just check it and not make this post). And then the following post isn't a charitable (fair?) description of how things have been moving around her. And it's blatant ATE.

Maybe it's just frustration yes. But I am keeping my vote rn till I am done with these ISOs.

[Ephemeral]

Let me put it this way Eph, you are currently focusing on me and voting me for what I mostly perceive to be my push on you. You have singled out individual aspects of the push (which I freely admit to be weaker) without commenting on the core point or two until a few minutes ago, when I directly called you out for doing this. This is pretty much the extent of our interactions, especially in the later part, and you have reduced my positional status in the game to what I consider to be minutiae like tonal differences, even kind of blowing that off:



I have talked about you certainly, but I am by no means exclusively focused on you, and I think I've made pretty solid and thoughtful points on a number of contentious slots in the game, such as Amy/Rask, Csargo, Monty, Dolby to a lesser extent, etc. I haven't seen a hint of you taking those points into account of your read on me. Does the scope of my solving efforts not override my individual push on you? There wasn't really any major "pushes" in there, but it's still useful to get the game on lockdown. Does my interactions with others not factor in either? I don't think it's all down to tone. That sort of thing.

Bottom line, I don't think you're actively trying to solve here - me, or others. Your responses to me could easily be little more than townie frustration about what you think is a bad push (and it might very well be!) but I think you're intentionally missing the bigger picture, instead focusing on little things you can score points off of, and that trait is pretty damn near a universal scum tell imo.

True I did call out specific bits that stood out on the spot about your push

and none of them by themselves would matter much normally, but there are multiple

And when I initially pressed you on them you just deflected off it instead of owning it and adjusting the read accordingly, which only came after you got called out by others in addition to being called out by me

See when you put all the little bits together it feels like you're just trying to portray your push as clean when it really isn't

Including your most recent admission that the focal point was related to (neboulous, mind you)expectations of how you think I would approach the game on a macro level

That to me wasn't particularly clear before because you specifically kept things vague and picked off things like the manti push/meta stuff to focalize

And the rest of it kept being incredibly nebulous on stuff like "well look ara and hally ok sound nice" and then "eph was there too but no"

I think you're cherry picking whatever feels convenient to your story on the spot and keep it vague/open-ended on purpose(this being particularly true early on)

And then when you get called out on the issues/inconsistencies you try to plug the leak and ever so slightly change your story so it fits again

[Manasi]

31 total episodes spread across 4 parts(basically season 1 is composed of parts 1-2 and season 2 of parts 3-4) with a final season coming supposedly sometime in 2021

how to get away with murder is on my list too, watched a few eps last year but put it on hold because I got busy/distracted with other stuff. Def gonna be looking forward to continuing it soon-ish(probably after I finish money heist since I'm literally on the last episode lol)

it's a great show, esp if you love drama

is eod at 8 est or 7?

9??

help

[Visor]

eod is 8pm

so 1 hr 45