Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Hally]

cuth's post is weird solely because i think ppl should probably have a read on manti

what’s your read on manti

[Cuthillius]

can you sort the game into each group so i can see what you’re talking about?

uh

i could but i'm not going to

the difference is like you/capage/visor all took hard stances on one or another ahead of the curve

if there's at least one v in gh/dya, and especially if two, wolves are absolutely going to take advantage of the opportunity to back up people's incorrect reads on them and settle the gamestate gently into a confbiased one, but they're rarely going to actually bury them at the start of the phase because they either have to take responsiblity for doing so upon v flips or basically keep their partner from posting better and getting out of reads after mostly being suspected for being Lacking/whatever

the risk/reward is whack, and most people aren't going to do the Plays they'd need to, especially not when we're in this condition already

[Cuthillius]

cuth's post is weird solely because i think ppl should probably have a read on manti

he's been poking me with a pool noodle exactly like in the other game we just played where he was a wolf and i think his posts are very thin

but he's barely actually gotten engaged in the game

[GeneralHankerchief]

uh

i could but i'm not going to

the difference is like you/capage/visor all took hard stances on one or another ahead of the curve

if there's at least one v in gh/dya, and especially if two, wolves are absolutely going to take advantage of the opportunity to back up people's incorrect reads on them and settle the gamestate gently into a confbiased one, but they're rarely going to actually bury them at the start of the phase because they either have to take responsiblity for doing so upon v flips or basically keep their partner from posting better and getting out of reads after mostly being suspected for being Lacking/whatever

the risk/reward is whack, and most people aren't going to do the Plays they'd need to, especially not when we're in this condition already

I've actually perfectly followed this line of logic ever since Cuth introduced it and think it makes a good bit of sense.

[Esooa]

@Esooa can you talk me throught your d1 thoughts on dya?

Not much to say. I agreed that they felt like they didn't want to be here. I thought their read on me was bad and their focus on it was to avoid spew. I also thought Csargo had a few towny posts which I didn't see from Dya so I much preferred Dya at EoD. Today they're at least moving outside of just their read on me but their read on me has honestly just gotten worse and I'm not sure why town!dya wouldn't drop it by now. They didn't even respond iirc to me quoting myself from Ice cream team mafia where I forgot why I voted someone, after saying I didn't actually do that which ??? doesn't feel like fair reevaluation. I'm unsure rn about where I would go if not them today

[Esooa]

I think Cuth is not villagery

agree for the most part. Not wolfy but I've not really seen anything from him that makes me get a real feel either way

[Esooa]

Official Tally as of #1458

2 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Esooa)
2 GeneralHankerchief (Visor, Hally)

1 Cuthillius (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Maple (dyachei)
1 Montmorency (Cuthillius)

Not Voting: Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Dolby, Ephemeral, Manasi, Maple, Montmorency, pzelda

would be nice to get votes down from the non-voters

is there maj?

[Hally]

uh

i could but i'm not going to

the difference is like you/capage/visor all took hard stances on one or another ahead of the curve

if there's at least one v in gh/dya, and especially if two, wolves are absolutely going to take advantage of the opportunity to back up people's incorrect reads on them and settle the gamestate gently into a confbiased one, but they're rarely going to actually bury them at the start of the phase because they either have to take responsiblity for doing so upon v flips or basically keep their partner from posting better and getting out of reads after mostly being suspected for being Lacking/whatever

the risk/reward is whack, and most people aren't going to do the Plays they'd need to, especially not when we're in this condition already

alright, this makes sense. so you think monty falls into the group of the Not Villagery approach? anyone else?

[Esooa]

hype.

I slanked hard this evening finally so I will ISO him in the train tmr morning finally, in about 6 hours from now. If you can tell us about this meanwhile, it would be great

this feels like a really towny post from Rask. I don't think he's been slanking at all and he's generally been getting town read, so for him to be thinking "I've slanked hard" and he needs to put more effort in seems like a genuine desire to solve

[GeneralHankerchief]

Kind of in a weird spot with what I want to do with my vote atm because I think there's a few places I could put it that would shake the game up (in a good way), but at the same time I'm not sure if the game even needs shaking up. We've got Rask's flip pending, and dya could even very well be a hit, and if we just go off the assumption there's one (or more) in that pair that means everything's hunky-dory and we can just keep on doing our thing.

So like, I kind of think we - both me individually and the town as a whole - are spinning our wheels for a while, and while it's kind of annoying I also think it's the smartest option at the moment?

This opinion is subject to change at a moment's notice.

[dyachei]

i really like that take from cuth because I definitely felt that it was all basically pre-ordained when I got into the thread last night. I think wolves definitely just wanted to go along

[Arapocalypse]

Hey, sorry I haven't been around much today; didn't mean to pull back this much, oops!! I'll be around to hype within a few hours though!!!

[Esooa]

i will say i’m slightly weirded out that manti is like... doing things. i think he typically doesn’t give much of a shit as a villager so maybe i should be concerned that he’s at least putting on a front of trying to solve and caring. but i don’t really know where this game lands on that spectrum for him. it doesn’t seem like he cares ~that~ much, just maybe more than usual

meh i dunno, it’s manti. he’s like a rorschach test lol

manti/other can answer this too but do you know if manti prefers wolf/town?

[Hally]

would be nice to get votes down from the non-voters

is there maj?

nope

[Esooa]

turning over gh/dya in my mind

i think both of them have had distinctly villagery notes today, but i don't love love either of those but i think there's a good enough chance that either one is v that i'd rather go elsewhere today question mark pending certain people being in thread

monty looks absolutely terrible if they're both villagers, thus my vote there, i think specifically pzelda making the first post about dya being an outed wolf early on d1 and also dunking on gh is probably a fairly good look regardless of gh/dya alignments

don't think the wolves are taking quite as much advantage of town blehness as they could, but maybe that's because we're not on the right tracks and don't have to yet?

which would give me a bit of hope for our chances after we get A Flip

there's a big block of what do with manasi/manti/colonel/dolby

and unless there are at least two wolves in there idk what's going on with this game maybe if gh/dya not w/w

i feel like there was a fairly considerable swing of momentum onto specifically that world today, and i don't think the people like actively championing it are as much to blame as the people who treated it as a sort of implicit assumption

idk

what posts from Dya were distinctly villagery?

[Esooa]

the obvious reason would be that dya can post themselves clear easily if they’re villaging and w!gh wouldn’t want them to have the chance

I've not played with them before so ig I kinda expected their day 1 to continue. That makes sense though

[Hally]

manti/other can answer this too but do you know if manti prefers wolf/town?

he’s known more for his wolf game but i have no idea which he enjoys more

[Esooa]

Official Tally as of #1458

2 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Esooa)
2 GeneralHankerchief (Visor, Hally)

1 Cuthillius (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Maple (dyachei)
1 Montmorency (Cuthillius)

Not Voting: Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Dolby, Ephemeral, Manasi, Maple, Montmorency, pzelda

honestly I don't like the GH votes at all. I see what people mean that if Dya is a wolf GH is, but the association here is

town!dya=town!GH (he would lynch Dya day 1)
wolf!dya= town/wolf!GH (he could save her, he could just be wrong day 1)

so voting GH before Dya here is just bad, or am I missing something?

Regardless, I don't like the two competing wagons being stagnant and somehow only two votes

Vote:montmorency

[Hally]

fwiw at the time i just voted gh to have a cw to dya because i thought both were wolves but i agree it makes no sense to lunch gh before dya and we definitely aren’t doing that

[Esooa]

fwiw at the time i just voted gh to have a cw to dya because i thought both were wolves but i agree it makes no sense to lunch gh before dya and we definitely aren’t doing that

what do you think of the way GH voted cuth

[Hally]

what do you think of the way GH voted cuth

it was indeed a vote on cuth

[Esooa]

it was indeed a vote on cuth

do you think it was towny?

[Hally]

do you think it was towny?

dunno, he wouldn’t really explain it

[Esooa]

dunno, he wouldn’t really explain it

but that's part of why it is imo. He's not caring to spend paragraphs explaining himself and trying to convince people of his opinions. Doesn't really seem to care about pushing the thread one way/his image as he has previously.

[Cuthillius]

what posts from Dya were distinctly villagery?

something something emotions but i think it honestly fits with dya!v i've seen before in a very particular way that i don't really want to go into

the way they've... interacted with people interacting with them this phase

[Hally]

but that's part of why it is imo. He's not caring to spend paragraphs explaining himself and trying to convince people of his opinions. Doesn't really seem to care about pushing the thread one way/his image as he has previously.

hrm. i mean, i think he did in the first part of the day but then kinda gave up on it when it wasn’t really working

[Hally]

i do think him taking a back seat and just letting the thread move where it may is maybe like, vaguely villagery? if i assume w!him would be trying to control the narrative more aggressively. but meh

[Cuthillius]

i really don’t see gh playing around dya the way he did if he’s a wolf and dya’s a villager. he’s not dumb. if w!gh sees he can lunch one of the best villagers itg D1 he’d be all over that

i disagree with this specific take, but kinda agree at this point that his progression on them would be

unusual

as w/v

would basically require wolves to be in a team mafia sort of position where he's caught out d1, shuffling deck chairs to make it as long as possible, likely thought there's a good chance dya goes over anyway and like

i don't think there are very many players that gh would straight up dunk on 10/10 times if he got the opportunity because he was scared

i do have some concerns about the binary nature of that read over the course of the game but

is a thing

at this point would rather look elsewhere

[Cuthillius]

i do think him taking a back seat and just letting the thread move where it may is maybe like, vaguely villagery? if i assume w!him would be trying to control the narrative more aggressively. but meh

w!him is not in a playerlist of pushovers and is probably fully aware that that's not a viable long term strategy in any way, and would only probable pursue it if there was no other option/he needed to boost teammates out of danger

i have liked some of the more specific solving and processes i've seen from him today though

but i think reading him off of bigger picture stuff without a wolf flip is probably not the best line to take

[Hally]

i disagree with this specific take, but kinda agree at this point that his progression on them would be

unusual

as w/v

would basically require wolves to be in a team mafia sort of position where he's caught out d1, shuffling deck chairs to make it as long as possible, likely thought there's a good chance dya goes over anyway and like

i don't think there are very many players that gh would straight up dunk on 10/10 times if he got the opportunity because he was scared

i do have some concerns about the binary nature of that read over the course of the game but

is a thing

at this point would rather look elsewhere

i don’t really understand what you’re saying with the bolded, sorry