Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Cuthillius]

Unaccountable mindmelds with GH in late day, but I don't get why he didn't acknowledge that I had voted Csargo for him.

On one hand, if dyachei (or Rask to some extent) is scum, Colonel and Maple need to die, but given the lack of self-pres from either Csargo or dyachei, and the way Rask and Csargo behaved toward dyachei's slot, there's a distinct possibility of all-town wagons.

But don't heal Rask, if applicable.

Rask-town and dyach-scum would be ideal in clearing 5 players till LYLO and guaranteeing a couple scum on Csargo wagon. Table for now.

If all town wagons, Dolbster's attitude toward EOD looks a little PIS.


On night-kill speculation, Sunbae feels more like SPK than a counter-suss kill (if there's a term for it).

im pretty much in the same mindset as i was at the end of day 1;

My lone tinfoil was that sunbae was snowing me and villa read ara too easily along with csargo;

Part of the reason i went CSargo over rasko/dya. I thikn it was possible for csargo to be a wolf in all worlds, and with argo flipping V and sunbae being a V and rasko being poisoned. all the answers are a day phase away for me before i see if i have to completely rethink where i'm at.

One thing that's true is that if rasko is a villa and dya turns out to be a wolf(note: i am currently leaning not eliminating dya this phase) there is no way in a million years i am ever not tunneling the ta-tas off of GH. ITs a thought i can't fully explain but the basic gist that i can relay is that him saying no to dyachei but yes to rasko/csargo and it turns out rasko csargo are villa and dya.

If I was the poisoner I would poison manti/manasi the following phases

Part of the reason I wouldn't want to dig into dya is that I associate them being a wolf with raqsko being a wolf alot so rasko being poisoned lets me peek into that world while i might want to eliminate into another possibility. I might change my mind though but its where im at now

hard defend dya despite being wagon

come into today defending dya

following morning: sure dya can be a wolf i absolutely see it

broad strokes it's a bit weird but i can understand it more with the detail

but there wasn't much in between in terms of his feelings

[Cuthillius]

multiquotes hurrah

those were two examples of the sort of thing i was talking about just now

[Hally]

i’m lost

[Hally]

sorry, i don’t feel like what you’re saying isn’t particularly hard to follow and yet i find myself unable to process it properly, most likely because i’m dumb and/or sleep deprived

[Cuthillius]

my poe looks something like [colonel/monty] + [manti/manasi/dolby/eph?/visor??] at this particular instant in time

[Hally]

sorry, i don’t feel like what you’re saying is particularly hard to follow and yet i find myself unable to process it properly, most likely because i’m dumb and/or sleep deprived

ebwop

[Hally]

my poe looks something like [colonel/monty] + [manti/manasi/dolby/eph?/visor??] at this particular instant in time

i would be surprised if visor or eph are wolfing, though i guess if dya/gh are v/v they have some wolf equity. but i kinda just think they’re villagers anyway. you don’t?

[Cuthillius]

a) don't call yourself dumb

b) the multiquotes were things i was collecting to illustrate my point wrt people who weren't committing to gh/dya immediately but kind of reinforcing the position that they should be the poe today and that they were still good pushes from yesterday without getting too much skin in the game, which i think is very >rand w if gh/dya v/v and even mildly >rand w if they're w/v in a lot of situations

c) when i said gh's progression on dya was very binary, i meant that it was either on or off-- he strongly townread them through the beginning of this phase and then very quickly swung over to the other side; i don't think this is necessarily a Bad Look but there are worlds in which it's sort of a necessary evil push and i'm a little concerned about its similarity to his push on lissa last game in the back of my head

[Cuthillius]

i would be surprised if visor or eph are wolfing, though i guess if dya/gh are v/v they have some wolf equity. but i kinda just think they’re villagers anyway. you don’t?

i do but i have a hard time coming up with impactful players who could be wolfing beyond the pair, and that list there is... a little uniform for my liking in terms of playerlist composition

visor/eph are both a tier of confidence below most of my other v-reads

[Hally]

that makes more sense, ty

[GeneralHankerchief]

Not interested in today and I don't particularly feel like sorting into tiers:
[Hally/Esooa/Monty/Ara/pzelda/Ephemeral]

--

Not happening today but might get the STINK EYE depending on how flips go:
[Visor/ColonelBop]

I doubt they're happening today and even if they were, I might not want to go there? Maybe?
[Cuth/Maple/Manasi]

The active question marks
[dya/Dolby]



This list is simultaneously very poor for gamestate and yet the one I feel best about out of the ones I've done itg.

Will try to get a lock-in on Dolby tomorrow morning/afternoon US time. Other slots I want to feel better about and will try to devote time to are Monty, Cuth, (possibly) Eph.

[GeneralHankerchief]

c) when i said gh's progression on dya was very binary, i meant that it was either on or off-- he strongly townread them through the beginning of this phase and then very quickly swung over to the other side; i don't think this is necessarily a Bad Look but there are worlds in which it's sort of a necessary evil push and i'm a little concerned about its similarity to his push on lissa last game in the back of my head

I'm sorry, I really don't want to keep harping on this point, but this is just an outright lie.

[Hally]

gh, talk about monty more? i’m ??? at his placement

[GeneralHankerchief]

gh, talk about monty more? i’m ??? at his placement

Hard for me to give specifics and I do want to shore up that read tomorrow, but I think he's got the right cocktail of tone/paranoia/doing his own thing going that matches his town game.

Maybe.

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #1544

3 Montmorency (Cuthillius, Hally, Esooa)

1 Cuthillius (GeneralHankerchief)
1 dyachei (Raskolnikov)
1 GeneralHankerchief (Visor)
1 Maple (dyachei)

Not Voting: Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Dolby, Ephemeral, Manasi, Maple, Montmorency, pzelda

[Hally]

how come half the game isn’t voting

[Hally]

this phase is so weird because i feel like almost nothing has happened the last 24 hours. half the game feels like we’re spinning our wheels and the other half isn’t even posting

i just like... find it weird how much the game seems to have stalled out and i’m not sure what it means but the flow feels like, markedly more stagnant than it did D1

[Visor]

@Arapocalypse @Manasi
@Dolby

????

[Montmorency]

this phase is so weird because i feel like almost nothing has happened the last 24 hours. half the game feels like we’re spinning our wheels and the other half isn’t even posting

i just like... find it weird how much the game seems to have stalled out and i’m not sure what it means but the flow feels like, markedly more stagnant than it did D1

I greatly appreciate 'only' 300 posts in 24 hours, OTOH.

But the fact that the D2 activity could have been condensed to 50-100 posts and arrive at the same state is really just due to the lack of good oust options and the divisions among town reads.

[Montmorency]

Hally and pzelda are my ride or die towns.

Mostly melds so far, but why? When did this happen? I don't think I've seen an explanation.

fwiw i played with v!capage in sf3 and this doesn’t concern me coming from him. he’s kind of like a weathervane. as in, he changes his mind a lot even from post to post because he gets easily influenced by other people’s opinions and his mind seems to go in a lot of different directions. this sort of thing is what kept him in the poe D1 because people tend to find it wolfy, but i think it’s villagery for capage (and maybe even in general). it’s just kinda how he operates and i’m pretty confident he’s a villager here

I agree on the inconsistency/proteanity, but the tone and process feels wrong, though less so over time.

dya, I am really trying to hold back here, because I've certainly had my share of games where I just Haven't Had It as town and know that this could come from either alignment. I think that your RL demands are impacting your play and your posting would be different regardless, and I'm trying not to make things even more frustrating for you.

But you just feel super out of vibe with the thread and not in a way that's NAI to me. Like, you see the votes and focus on you; secondarily, you've had me as steady town to varying degrees over the course of the game. You and I are being linked together and we're taking the most heat of anybody ITT. From your POV, where you're a) town and b) correct, you should be seeing that things are about to get disastrous here if things hold their current course, but I'm not seeing any inkling of real urgency or fire from you. I really am trying to picture myself as somebody who just doesn't have time and is doing what I can, but I still think that if this was true, and if you were town, it'd be coming out differently.

Like you've expressed skepticism about Hally but the most you can do with it is "well I need more time" with nothing super concrete about it besides the fact that they get sheepier as town, as time progresses.
Your biggest push and focus has been on Esooa so far, and from my POV it's mostly focusing the issue of "doesn't remember why she voted who she did on d1" which just... doesn't do anything for me.

I truly am sorry if you're town here and I'm just piling on to what's already being a tough gameday for you, but right now I'm just not seeing enough.

Granted, in a GH-dya world this is textbook, commendable, distancing.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Yeah, this is what I wanted to see. Honestly, I'm moving among several possible worlds right now and it makes my reads super flippy-floppy. But I wanted to see you suspect Visor, because after agreeing with Visor I realized, that this is the only path scum Visor could take after gunning for Amy/Rask yesterday without looking sus. I'm still not decided whether I want to go with you scum, Visor scum or someone else, but I'm glad to see this and it makes the game less black and white.
Ofc, your move is defensive here and that makes it more difficult to read, but it also makes perfect sense to be suspicious of Visor's push in your position as town.

I hope my words are clear enough for everyone to understand them. If not, I think this is one thing I can easily reword or expand on.

Nothing worth talking about.

I'm trying to untilt myself and get back to trying to find more town, please don't ask me to follow up on this.

Kind of in a weird spot with what I want to do with my vote atm because I think there's a few places I could put it that would shake the game up (in a good way), but at the same time I'm not sure if the game even needs shaking up. We've got Rask's flip pending, and dya could even very well be a hit, and if we just go off the assumption there's one (or more) in that pair that means everything's hunky-dory and we can just keep on doing our thing.

So like, I kind of think we - both me individually and the town as a whole - are spinning our wheels for a while, and while it's kind of annoying I also think it's the smartest option at the moment?

This opinion is subject to change at a moment's notice.

^^^Good posts though.

(pace Zelda, Visor isn't tryharding.)

exercise: if gh/dya are v/v, ____ is a wolf

fill in the blank

Have to look at Visor then. If GH, Dya, and Rask were all town tonight, and 4/11 are scum, then throw down:

1-2 of Visor, Dolby, Zelda
1-2 of Eph, Esooa, Cuth, CL
1 of Maple-Manasi
1 of Ara-Hally?

[Montmorency]

The fact that Monty is almost exclusively speaking about old games is getting me nervous. The fact he misnamed that awesome game I hosted last year ( and Visor helped to build) makes him a tempting yeet target (not in GH/Dya territory rn, but still)

You just brought up Star Trek and Stormtossed, but anyway Ctrl-F the thread for "team" or "rocks" for starters.

vote: Montmorency

exclusively for his comment on "what if they're both villagers what then huh" earlier today

melding totally. I just didn't see the aim of this post (coming from town mindset I mean). He doesn't want to engage with the read, its logic, its root or potential weaknesses. Nope, just denying it (the read from Visor was GH/dya ww fwiw). Whats next lol

And yet:

Hally, where are we at if dya v?

i don’t know and i feel bad now because i think they could be

exercise: if gh/dya are v/v, ____ is a wolf

fill in the blank

mindmeld with me, vote me for it

keks

It doesn't sound like you've quite pegged what you're responding to in my post. But to expand on what I was saying earlier, which I had also clarified (like, what I post is neither complicated nor a lot to read), if Dya flips town - ~50/50 IMO - then the best remaining hope for Visor's GH suss is the GH-Dolb tinfoil. And I call it a tinfoil because in that world it feels like GH-Dolb team should be doing more than mildly rubbing off one another - it doesn't look enough like power scumming either separately or together in that hypothetical. And GH-Dolb should be a strong enough team to be less subtle. I see a couple players are at least sounding out the possibility, but it's what analysis Visor should be diving into.

i’m worried the gh/dya/visor/(rask) group are all villas and the wolves are just letting them turn on each other while they sit there doing nothing

if i entertain that world, monty feels like a wolf who’s kind of watching the world burn and roasting smores on the flames. just kinda the vibe i get from his posts today

Oh, I'm definitely in a wait-and-see mode here. I don't trust any of y'all.

Though I've been surprisingly vibing with GH for several days.

[Raskolnikov]

Kind of in a weird spot with what I want to do with my vote atm because I think there's a few places I could put it that would shake the game up (in a good way), but at the same time I'm not sure if the game even needs shaking up. We've got Rask's flip pending, and dya could even very well be a hit, and if we just go off the assumption there's one (or more) in that pair that means everything's hunky-dory and we can just keep on doing our thing.

So like, I kind of think we - both me individually and the town as a whole - are spinning our wheels for a while, and while it's kind of annoying I also think it's the smartest option at the moment?

This opinion is subject to change at a moment's notice.

Oh yeah things are going great for people knowing my alignment. The feel of confort you are displaying when imo we are close to 0 - 3 for the wolves is frightening.

vote: GH

[Raskolnikov]

Oh yeah things are going great for people knowing my alignment. The feel of confort you are displaying when imo we are close to 0 - 3 for the wolves is frightening.

vote: GH

Note to self (and others), Monty liked this post.

[Raskolnikov]

I've hated Cuth's spaghetti plate post, but actually liking and melding with the post where he details probable v/w mindsets around the GH/Dya duo.

So I think I am not going there today (or ever lol). Still need to catch up a couple of pages.

Now what I really need to do is think about GH/Dya again. I've been liking Dya's posts more. I have ambivalent feelings about GH.

[Montmorency]

Note to self (and others), Monty liked this post.

I was shocked at the apparent lie, but then I realized you meant the GH post you quoted.

Um, yes, I liked it so much that I quoted it myself and typed out that I liked it in my own post right above yours.

Much noting

[Raskolnikov]

Oh yeah things are going great for people knowing my alignment. The feel of confort you are displaying when imo we are close to 0 - 3 for the wolves is frightening.

vote: GH

Excuse me dude, close to 0 - 5 if we yeet green today

[Raskolnikov]

I was shocked at the apparent lie, but then I realized you meant the GH post you quoted.

Um, yes, I liked it so much that I quoted it myself and typed out that I liked it in my own post right above yours.

Much noting

I can't like this post. weird :lol: (I will finish catching up and come back to your post if it feels needed Monty)

I do believe we have very different approach to the game and posting styles, independantly of our alignments. That's the main reason I am not already voting you mate

[Manasi]

@Arapocalypse @Manasi
@Dolby

????

sup babe

[Maple]

suh

[Maple]

im going to bed now

gn