Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Arapocalypse]

Vote: Montmorency

In a mood, will be around later!!!!

[ColonelLubriderm]

@GeneralHankerchief

Glad I found ya for once, buddy.






@Logic

I've already worked out some notes of D2, posting shortly, so please focus on D1.



More likely Hally.



Hmm. Maybe what threw me is that you didn't maintain your unique team analysis format. Scratch that point for now.

What do you think of Maple and Cuth? If you're town and there are 1-3 scum (won't accept fewer than 1), who are they? Challenge: exclude me.

cuth dolby one in visor/ara/maple

[ColonelLubriderm]

everyone else:
dont clear bop

me:
kill me follow my legacy

[Arapocalypse]

I don't get why so few people have recognized how dangerous Maple is with his spam and obscurantism sprinkled with serious posts. Maple could be partners with practically anyone here, and I think that's likely consciously maneuvered.

Hey Montmorency!!!

I do want to engage with you and stuff, and having been reading your posts; do you actively think Maple is mafia here, then? Why do you think dya was trying to pocket Hally and not Maple?

What do you think GH flipping town means, in general?

[Arapocalypse]

Looking forward to Logic contributions today, should be hype!!!

Can't believe he managed to finagle having his very own emote!!!!!

[ColonelLubriderm]

i just did the math and numbers and i no longer advocate killing me and follow my legacy, i think it'll get screwed up

[Montmorency]

Hey Montmorency!!!

I do want to engage with you and stuff, and having been reading your posts; do you actively think Maple is mafia here, then? Why do you think dya was trying to pocket Hally and not Maple?

What do you think GH flipping town means, in general?

Because I doubt Maple is town, whereas I townlean Hally, logically scum-dya couldn't have been pocketing Maple, if dya was pocketing at all. Dya cased and voted Maple early in the day (see my notes), which doesn't comport with pocketing anyway. We know that wasn't a serious push, and could easily be anti-spew btw.

I think I might not budge from my overall POE under most circumstances. My approach as dictator would be to resolve:

CL/Maple
Cuth/Logic
at LYLO see who's left out of Ara/Hally/Visor/Manasi and standoff

Assuming a mafia kill gets blocked or vig dies/fails or whatever, we have exactly the number of rounds needed to brute force (worst case).


GH town looks somewhat bad for Visor, who gets held to a higher standard for making multiple strong* pushes** on townies given his record, but not bad enough to move him in POE.

I'm ambivalent about Hally and Ara attitudes on GH. Hally on GH and Dya D2, overall, could go either way in terms of genuine activity or distancing, but since she's one of the relatively townier players I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and call it null at worst.

Ara was one of the only people (only?) to ardently discount the GH/dya team scenario, which could be an honest insight or PIS. I'll also give her the benefit of the doubt for now.

Like I said, Ara/Hally/Visor come very late in POE pending drastic changes or a major new discovery in the archive.

(Actually, Zelda getting killed and Visor just-asking-questions over it, when Zelda was the main player on his case D2, is kinda suss, but I'm sticking to my POE.)


*Like I noted previously, they weren't very strong, and Visor's efforts have been more domino-tipping than the kind of pushing more often associated with him IMO
**He was kind of defensive against Ara and Zelda (!) for not crediting him much on D1 dya push - and I haven't reread D1 like I have D2 mind you - but mechanically he does deserve some credit for how he treated dya slot D1 and early D2

[Maple]

Alright monty, shoot your shot :)

[Montmorency]

Alright monty, shoot your shot :)

Yeah, go off Monty. I've worked a lot on this game today, so this much is enough for now.

Final Tally

7 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, Hally, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, ColonelLubriderm, Maple)

5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, Dolby/Logic)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)

Wagonomics (D1)
No more than 1 scum on Dyachei (up to 1 of Visor or Manasi)
1-3 scum on Csargo (1-3 of Ara, Hally, GH, CL, Maple)
Corollary (Rask wagon): 0-2 of Zelda, Cuth, Dolby/Logic

Come to think of it, Dolby may have been having problems, but what a potato scum team if Cuth and Dolby both on Rask and no partners on Csargo. Cuth and Dolby/Logic not paired if either Visor or Manasi scum.

Put me as a counterwagon if you must, but I don't understand how D3 could possibly end outside Csargo wagon voters. We have the information.

[Montmorency]

Alright monty, shoot your shot :)

Make sure you finish me today, or I might shoot my shot tomorrow!

[Maple]

Make sure you finish me today, or I might shoot my shot tomorrow!

Is that a hardclaim?

[Esooa]

vote: maple

[Esooa]

very interested in why Visor and Manti both wanted me dead EoD while both wanting Dya dead too, yet on a dya scum flip they neglect to continue scum reading me. Never really saw any real reasons as to why they scum read me except fairly weak reasons given day 1, and Visor even included me with Dya at a point but didn't comment at all on what changed for him post-flip

feels to me like he's just decided to drop a fruitless push

[Esooa]

if Manti and Visor can explain their read on me throughout the game that'd be good

[Maple]

I did.

[Esooa]

ara is about to day vig them

I did.

don't think you really did day2 which is what I'm asking about from you

[Esooa]

accidentally clicked that has hally quote while scrolling

[Hally]

ara
eph
esooa

bop
visor

manasi
manti

cuth
logic
monty

i originally had manti in the bottom group but i like his posts toDay so i moved him up a tier. i’m worried i’m misclearing bop or visor but i still lean v for both so i don’t really wanna consider either toDay. should ~always be at least two wolves in the bottom half regardless

[Maple]

[Hally]

gh a villa kill?

i assumed a one time wolf kill

i have no idea what setups are like on here but figure village doesnt get a poisoner and a vig

why’d you assume wolves would kill gh?

[Maple]

why’d you assume wolves would kill gh?

to setup a fakeclaim, probably

[Hally]

^^^ What I had ready before I saw the flip

I actually hoped Visor would be poisoner, but OK

Vote: CL

For example, in #1200 at SOD2 dya, examining Sunbae's legacy, reported his towncore as: Zelda, Ara, CL (and maybe GH). Dya remarked that she would take his word on Zelda and was already feeling good about Ara and GH. It's noteworthy that she laundered a townread of CL through a dead townie, a classic triplet, but didn't express/echo it for her own part. You know, like 'GOAT slain Sunbae is all about that CL-town... and I feel good about the other stuff he said.' Also, both CL and dya spent an inordinate amount of time D2 talking to/about dying Rask.

In 1716, CL drops a questionable case for why neither dya and GH should be candidates



At EOD, I appreciated CL's legacy post but it turns out he contradicted it badly with his leans seconds later

how is that a contradiction monty? also why does the thing about sunbae’s reads make bop a wolf? this feels incredibly reachy

[Hally]

i really wish that this site had postnum tags so i could see wtf people are talking about

[Hally]

to setup a fakeclaim, probably

what?

[Hally]

@Arapocalypse can you walk me through your issues with visor?

[Hally]

probably dumb read that i nonetheless feel compelled to share: i kinda feel like cuth would bus dya as a wolf

[Hally]

vote: monty

[Visor]

Vote: Colonel

[Hally]

i wanna reread EoD1 but it’s probably gonna have to wait until tomorrow. brain is mush

[Hally]

Vote: Colonel

sup?