Rampage Out of Space

[Vroendal]

Ugh. Is the host allowed to delete posts?

Double-posting a wall is a major oof and it wouldn't accept my edit.

[Laurentus]

IT IS LYLO FOR TOWN

If you do not oust scum today you will lose!

@BorgPicard: read the above.

[Laurentus]

ok, actual clears:
csargo via pzelda/monty

semi-clears:
vro via laurentus conversation yesterday derping on pzelda ability
laurentus claims pzelda cleared him


Leaves us with the following:
hk
dolby
winston
borg

I know I'm town, so that leaves, if I believe all the clears, dolby/winston/borg to contain the SK and both wolves.
Of the two semi-clears I think the least cleared is laurentus. Wolf?Laurentus could still clear via derp town vro b/c town vro isn't going to push on wolf?laurentus b/c of the clear yeah?

Likewise that conversation could have been theater to try to get both of them cleared, but that's a tinfoil world that I'm not sure is worth digging into.

At one point Winston was claiming to have been cop checked. I'm going to go looking for that today.
I think, in all worlds, dolby has to go today.

Okay, yeah, if you're Town, take everything HK says with a massive dose of salt, this tinfoiling to the closest thing we have to a town leader at LYLO has basically just outed that whatever he is, it ain't Town.

And we can start treating the SK as almost scum, too, although we have to hit it last.

[Laurentus]

With Csargo mechanically proven as well that leaves me with scum reads in this order
Vro
Winston
Dolby
HK

And Sk reads
HK
Dolby
Winston

With the lack of SK kills, I am assuming rb or maybe a holster. If it was rb, I am assuming by mafia and that means mafia knows who it is. If it is holster then they don't, and are probably going to be trying to kill them, because if flavor holds out, sk wins in a 1v1v1. If it was a sk holster, thanks it has allowed for mech clears of two townies.
What that leaves is that we need to kill a mafia, and we definitely don't want to hit sk as that screws us. Even if we hit a town today, if the sk hits a mafia tonight we can still pull through. And possibly win it. With that in mind I cannot be convinced to vote for HK or Dolby, my top two SK picks. The only choice I have left is between Winston and Vro. Given Laurentus being proven to me, I will most likely be sheeping them onto Vro.

What do you make of Vro's derpiness when I pretended to be the SK?

[Laurentus]

To recap who everyone wants to kill:

Vro wants to chop Dolby and/or Borg.
Borg wants to chop Vro.
HK wants to chop Dolby.
Dolby wants to chop Vro. (As near as I can tell, he didn't offer up HK or Borg as a potential chop, and he's choosing not to tinfoil Winston).

So my own PoE of Borg and Dolby both want to chop Vro and Vro wants to chop both of them.

@Winston Hughes, where you at?

[Winston Hughes]

I don't understand why we're at lylo, but, to break the habit of a lifetime, I also don't feel like I ought to give it any more thought at this point.

The essential fact is that the host says we have to chop scum today.

And unless Csar has some shocking revelation lined up to change the dynamic here - or Laurentus changes his mind on Vroe - I'm at the point where I have to treat dolby, hk and borg as confirmed villains.

I mean, if I let paranoia off the leash, I could quite easily cook up a case against Vroe - I voted there yesterday, after all - but I have a strong sense that that would only move the dial at all if Vroe was actually town.

So, with a scum chop required, the question presents itself to me in quite straightforward terms:

Is there any way that HK and Dolby could actually be scumbuddies here?

If not, we chop borg.

If so...

*sucks air through teeth*

[Laurentus]

Only scum team equity I see here for Vro is with me and HK. Could be with Dolby, which would explain Dolby's reluctance to wanna offer up more than "Vro is Town individually, though." But I think there's much clearer team equity between Dolby and Borg.

[Winston Hughes]

@Winston Hughes, where you at?

Can't fault my timing.

[Laurentus]

I don't understand why we're at lylo, but, to break the habit of a lifetime, I also don't feel like I ought to give it any more thought at this point.

The essential fact is that the host says we have to chop scum today.

And unless Csar has some shocking revelation lined up to change the dynamic here - or Laurentus changes his mind on Vroe - I'm at the point where I have to treat dolby, hk and borg as confirmed villains.

I mean, if I let paranoia off the leash, I could quite easily cook up a case against Vroe - I voted there yesterday, after all - but I have a strong sense that that would only move the dial at all if Vroe was actually town.

So, with a scum chop required, the question presents itself to me in quite straightforward terms:

Is there any way that HK and Dolby could actually be scumbuddies here?

If not, we chop borg.

If so...

*sucks air through teeth*

Yeah, reason I'm reluctant to go after Borg right now is because there is a possibility he's the SK. Well, a stronger likelihood than Dolby as SK, anyway, with how Borg started to scum read Tim late D1 (I still don't buy this nonsense that he's a cop, lol, although I admire your tenacity in sticking with your story, Borg).

[Laurentus]

Can anyone recall what Borg's position on Panda was?

[Laurentus]

Okay, yeah, I can't really see what putting this off is going to accomplish. Either Vro is the best goddamned Wolf in history to have faked that derp, or he's just Town here. I now fully embrace my read of Vro as Town. GG if you're woofin'.

Winston I'm still not completely sold on, but I'm also struggling to see a lot of team potential.

Borg and Dolby have had each other's backs all the way, which is Indicative of a team, really.

HK is just SK, with the potential to be bad with exactly Dolby if it's in fact Borg who is SK.

So I think I'm'a just activate Voltron now:
@Csargo @Winston Hughes @Vroendal

Join me in:

Vote: Dolby

and let's see who's right, and who's dead.

[Winston Hughes]

Yeah, reason I'm reluctant to go after Borg right now is because there is a possibility he's the SK. Well, a stronger likelihood than Dolby as SK, anyway, with how Borg started to scum read Tim late D1 (I still don't buy this nonsense that he's a cop, lol, although I admire your tenacity in sticking with your story, Borg).

This has reminded me of a fleeting thought I had a few days back, but didn't linger on at the time...

From the start, the scum knew there was a third party. It wasn't clear until n1 that the 3P was scum-hostile, iirc. But the image of the spider-eyed, toothy, wolfy thing being at the top of both sign-ups and game thread doesn't exactly suggest a neutral survivor role, to my eyes at least.

It doesn't seem a major leap to think the scum were concerned about getting killed by the 3P. Indeed, it might explain why Tim didn't spam up the thread in his usual manner (which, full disclosure, I'm a little sad about because Tim in full-flow is a thing of beauty).

And if they also had reason to suspect the existence of some kind of town investigative power (which is hardly unlikely even if they didn't have any inside knowledge), then Tim being something of an investigation magnet (takes one to know one) there would seem good reason for Tim's buddies to preemptively distance themselves.

[Winston Hughes]

Okay, yeah, I can't really see what putting this off is going to accomplish. Either Vro is the best goddamned Wolf in history to have faked that derp, or he's just Town here. I now fully embrace my read of Vro as Town. GG if you're woofin'.

Winston I'm still not completely sold on, but I'm also struggling to see a lot of team potential.

Borg and Dolby have had each other's backs all the way, which is Indicative of a team, really.

HK is just SK, with the potential to be bad with exactly Dolby if it's in fact Borg who is SK.

So I think I'm'a just activate Voltron now:
@Csargo @Winston Hughes @Vroendal

Join me in:

Vote: Dolby

and let's see who's right, and who's dead.

My current hypothesis is that Dolby is the sk.

[Winston Hughes]

Borg and Dolby have had each other's backs all the way, which is Indicative of a team, really.

This is true.

But has it not been a bit obvious?

[Laurentus]

My current hypothesis is that Dolby is the sk.

Okay, but why?

[Laurentus]

This is true.

But has it not been a bit obvious?

Maybe, but the alternative is an HK and Borg team, and I just... don't immediately see it. What's your take on a team like that.

[Laurentus]

Also, the Wolves didn't have a lot of options but to fully embrace each other as Town, because no one really expected there to be so many night kills N3, so honestly, if I were woofin' here, I'd never do anything that could compromise me or my scum bud's Town equity here, simply because trying to win this setup as the last remaining wolf was gonna be... challenging, so the fact that Borg and Dolby both wanna chop Vro, and the fact that they've been so obvious, really doesn't give me pause for my read of them as the scum team.

[Laurentus]

Okay, @Dolby, I don't think you can be treated as Town anymore, but if you're SK, you have a chance to win here if you help us scum hunt, so what do you think of HK and Borg as the scum team?

[Winston Hughes]

Maybe, but the alternative is an HK and Borg team, and I just... don't immediately see it. What's your take on a team like that.

I'll need to do some reading around their relationship, but I don't recall any strong positive evidence for their being mutually exclusive.

[Laurentus]

Also, in the event that Winston is actually scum, I think it's with exactly Dolby, so @BorgPicard, how do you feel about a Dolby chop?

[Winston Hughes]

From my perspective, there are three possible scum teams, listed here from most salient to least based on obvious thread interactions:

dolby/borg

borg/hk

hk/dolby

That is to say, dolby/borg are the ones who've seemed most like buddies, while hk/dolby have seemed most antagonistic.

If we want the best chance at hitting scum here, I think the trick is to figure which of the three combinations is least likely, and then hit whoever is in both of the two more likely ones.

Based on salience alone, that's borg.

But salience is a bad measure. Far too easy for scum to fool town if the focus is solely on what sticks out.

The good news is that it's still a long time until eod, and I'm home alone with no work 'til Tuesday.

[Laurentus]

This is pure WIFOM

[Winston Hughes]

Just because Paranoia must have its moment, how's this for a tinfoil...

Csargo is the Infiltrator, who shows up as town if pzelda's investigation isn't partnered. And Csar's buddy is Laurentus.

[Winston Hughes]

This is pure WIFOM

It's certainly no science.

But what else am I going to do with my long weekend?

[Laurentus]

Just because Paranoia must have its moment, how's this for a tinfoil...

Csargo is the Infiltrator, who shows up as town if pzelda's investigation isn't partnered. And Csar's buddy is Laurentus.

The more you speak, the more I'm getting the itch to policy chop you.

[Laurentus]

Okay, @Dolby, I don't think you can be treated as Town anymore, but if you're SK, you have a chance to win here if you help us scum hunt, so what do you think of HK and Borg as the scum team?

You know, Dolby, I'm also open to a Winston/Borg team here.

[Winston Hughes]

The more you speak, the more I'm getting the itch to policy chop you.

Yeah. I get that a lot.

I am inherently triggering in situations like this.

[Laurentus]

No, wait, that literally doesn't make any sense. He wants to chop Borg. Never mind, brain fart. Winston/HK could be a thing, though.

[Winston Hughes]

Thing is, though. I know exactly how triggering I am. Especially when I explain why I never do this as scum. Which is why I never do this as scum.

[Winston Hughes]

Must. Stop. Channelling. Pizza.